Mr.P.Pig, thanks for the response.
Agreed that the article lacks detail, I assumed that the author is trying to get agreement on where we should go rather than laying out a specific plan. Given some of the posts floating around it is not a given that we all agree that seeking "an environment where individuals can flourish regardless of race or religion" is a good target.

Maybe some more detail on just what that means and how we get there would be in order.

A fundamental starting place is the promotion and enforcement of the idea that people should not attempt to impose their own moral judgements (or their Gods) on others except for the protection of non consenting individuals. I may not have phrased that as well as I should, better phrasings are welcome.

Kind of getting rather tired of articles which carry on about the wrongs of Australian society and downplay the wrong done by the gangs in Sydney, I notice we have yet another one. Some of these authors are doing a much better job of convincing me that there might be a problem than the regular "anti-muslim" brigade. Those who consider what appears to be ethnic based rape, intimidation, violence etc is a trivial item have little understanding of some core values of this society.

R0bert

Quote from Realist: It is a government responsibility to ensure they place new migrants in areas of employment shortage or population need, not let them be drawn like magnets to the ghettos...

I always find it very amusing that people think we should legislate where migrants have the right to settle once they get here.

Let turn the tables a bit. Suppose things turned belly up here in Australia and you were forced to migrate to China, for example, for economic or political reasons. Where would you prefer to live?

(1) In an area of employment shortage dictated by the government -- which might be miles from the nearest town where you would be unlikely to find English-speaking doctors to treat you in time of illness, accountants to help you negotiate your new tax liabilities, and supermarkets that might stock products with which you are familiar;

(2) Or near a community of fellow English speakers -- the better to maintain a link with your heritage and find friends who could help you settle into the new place?

I rest my case.

heh, nicely said uneed2bcurious :)

he may not know (ignorantly) that some aussie communities are racist (increasingly in past years) and use(d) intimidation, hateful abuse and/or violent behaviour to exclude others from their shennagins.

uneed

I would prefer option one thank you.

I would want to learn the basics of my new culture. And I would want to blend with my new culture.

Cheers
Kay

Kenny,

>>I've never had a Muslim knock on my door wanting to tell me about their faith. <<

They won't not because they respect your privacy or your feelings but because they are using various other means to propagate islam and take over our country.

1. They outbreed the average non-muslim couple by 3:1
2. They use interfaith meets, multicultural events and posts like OLO to promote islam as a religion of peace.
3. They infiltrate government and move laws to prepare for a future Islamic state governed by ‘sharia law’.
4. They expertly use the media to cry minority victimisation and gain sympathy from our weak politicians.
5. They disrespect our way of life but act as if they can be part of our society.
6. They are confident that sooner or later all of ‘us’ are going to REVERT to islam. (yes we were once muslims they believe)
7. Their goal is to have an Islamic state here in Australia.
8. The major goal of islam is to unify all muslim communities and establish a worldwide ‘ummah’ – one borderless seamless worldwide Islamic nation.
9. Arab Petrol money is used to build schools and mosques with very little government scrutiny.
10. Intermarriage: manely muslim males to nominal secular Christians. (The kids are automatically muslims).

From the pen of Keyser Trad, Aussies friendly smiling muslim moderate spokesman:

(1996/7)

http://www.islam.org.au/articles/16/RACISM.HTM

"our ideology is the best salvation for the people of Australia, and the people of the world in general. Yes, we are a threat to the culture of drunkenness, paedophilia, and mostly we are a big threat to the culture of ELITISM."

"In a way, they feel safe because of the quantity of water which surrounds this country, so they feel fortified behind this great body, it gives them a feeling of security. But the reality is, the land belongs to God, not to them, and if those foreigners, whom they fear as migrants are not permitted to enter as migrants, they will come as settlers, in numbers so large that they will not be able to process them, hold them, or stop them. What will they do then? If these foreigners who are restraining themselves, because they see a legal hope, that they can come to this vast mainly uninhabited land for whatever reason, are told that there is no longer a legal way to come here, what will they do?"

Sounds like the answer to the moderate Keysers Question is jihad on Australia.