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Compromising our freedom of speech : Comments

By Syed Atiq ul Hassan, published 5/1/2006

Syed Atiq ul Hassan argues sedition laws may damage the image of Australia internationally

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Some Free Speech from the pen of Keyser Trad, Aussies friendly muslim spokesman:

"our ideology is the best salvation for the people of Australia, and the people of the world in general. Yes, we are a threat to the culture of drunkenness, paedophilia, and mostly we are a big threat to the culture of ELITISM."

"In a way, they feel safe because of the quantity of water which surrounds this country, so they feel fortified behind this great body, it gives them a feeling of security. But the reality is, the land belongs to God, not to them, and if those foreigners, whom they fear as migrants are not permitted to enter as migrants, they will come as settlers, in numbers so large that they will not be able to process them, hold them, or stop them. What will they do then? If these foreigners who are restraining themselves, because they see a legal hope, that they can come to this vast mainly uninhabited land for whatever reason, are told that there is no longer a legal way to come here, what will they do?"

Sounds like the answer to Keysers Question is Jihad on Australia.

http://www.islam.org.au/articles/16/RACISM.HTM
Posted by meredith, Friday, 6 January 2006 9:37:44 AM
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Syed, welcome to the world of The Forum, a gathering place for all sorts of wierd and wonderful people. I haven't read your piece yet. But after reading some of the nonsense posted by the monocultural looneys here, I will be certain to read it within the next 24 hours. Anyway, Must go. Unlike some of the bludgers who congregate here, I have some real work to do!
Posted by Irfan, Friday, 6 January 2006 10:03:33 AM
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I spent more than 30 years and consider myself as much as Australian as the Australian as others.

Reading views of some, I feel how much this nation is ignorant, selfish and disregardful about others. According to renowned Australian (white) historian, there were significant number of cameleers, labour and farmers brought into this land of down under by British rulers from South Asia especially from Afghanistan. Most of them were Muslims. They were treated like stone-aged slaves. They were not given chance to see their families one more time. They built railway tracks, roads and other basic infrastructure in long and isolated desert of this huge continent.
Shamefully, the descendents of those white people, who occupied and rule this country to keep their convicts today abuse those people whom grand fathers built this land.

Muslims never become the threat to this land. Even if one claim and refer to post 9/11 events then I would say they have no deep knowledge on international politics. It is not very long time when Osama Bin Landen, his followers and Talibans were the heroes of America as they defeated Russia in Afghanistan.
I am a Catholic I feel proud to speak and accept the realities and the reality of the last century is that in Hitler who was a Christian, was the only person managed to kill millions on this earth by the worth hatred against Jews. Similarly, US is the only country who practically dropped the atomic bomb in Japan and killed millions. US with the help of Australia killed millions in Vietnam and there are several other examples. But today, only Muslims are being considered as terrorists.

Instead of blindly condemning Muslims and criticizing any intellectual, writer or journalist just because he/her carries a Muslim name shows that how rude and ignorant the people in Australia.

No one can deny that Australia earned good reputation in the world once they abolished white Australia policy. I find the article of Syed Atiq ul Hassan was an excellent case of defending the rights against the government seditions laws and unwanted terror la
Posted by Van, Friday, 6 January 2006 11:04:35 AM
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In the country this gentle man came from I very much doupt you can say what you want, or indeed do as you wish.
No fan of this goverment ,I understand radicals play by inhuman rules and use our freedoms against us.
Miss information and out right lies are a weapon often used.
How can we propose to silence white raceists in our country but leave these murderers free to speak?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 8 January 2006 7:13:51 AM
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Sedition: The Common Law offence of speaking or writing seditious statements, or any other conduct done with seditious intent.

Seditious intent: An intention to bring the Soveriegn into hatred or contempt, or to incite disaffection against the Commonwealth Government, the Commonwealth Constitution, the States or against Parliament.

To convict an accused of sedition it must be shown the accused had an immediate and predominate purpose to excite in his or her audience Dissasitfaction towards the Crown, the governmnet, or the constituion Burns v Ransley (1949) 79 CLR 101.

Who has Soveriegnty of this land? I believe there are two 1 Black, 1 White, "Traditional owners".

Both have a dissagreement with terrorism which a is a cowards way of frightening a population into believing what the government of the day wishes them to believe.

The oldest religion is hinduism.
The oldest laws are here accross Australia (Aboriginal) we believe that death is warranted in many cases a penalty must be paid for doing wrong regardless of age, to teach a child right from wrong is good but to teach a child fear is a crime.

A penalty must be paid but a child is only a child and to teach them a lesson on knowing the difference is better than to punish without teaching them a rule of law first.

A woman in many countries has no rights, men of many lands believe they are superior to woman, so let them bear the children and we will see who is the creatror and who God gave the gift of giving life to.
Posted by warri warru, Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:21:05 AM
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Syed if I'd written: after 9/11 came waves of terror, in revenge for the US-allied forces actions, by the Muslim 'fanatic's targeted' in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'd be written off, by most, as an illogical looney and by Irfan as an armchair Nazi.

Since 9/11 only two attacks occurred in the west. Madrid and London. Madrid the work of Islamist extremists based in Europe. London the work of 'home grown' Muslim terrorists. Indonesia had attacks; on the Australian Embassy and two tourist resorts, carried out by Indonesian Muslims.

The only other significant violence is in Iraq and Afghanistan. That violence, without doubt, targets Muslims.

Your claimed 'targetted fanatic's', from Afghanistan and Iraq are not attacking the US or it's allies. Especially not Australia.

Our new laws allow our police and security forces the leeway to ensure the typical wanton violence of the Muslim societies of Afghanistan and Iraq is prevented here.

Western societies have suspended their freedoms on those occassions when the way of life has been threatened...violently. In Australia the media endured heavy censorship by the Curtin Government. There was a general uproar when the Government endeavoured to use those repressive measures long after they were obviously not needed.

It's common for westerners to abdicate their rights in the face of threats, just as it is common for them to expect those rights re-instated once threats dissipate.

That is one of the reasons the west have relative civil peace and an enduring democracy. Most of us understand our freedoms and why we have them.

Our politic's is about expressing verbally and non-violently our needs and desires. What these terrorists are about is violent aggression. We know they have avowed to destroy us and our society. Why would we need to allow them a platform to spout their hatefulness and their villification?

Demanding a voice for our enemy is an abuse of our freedom. It would never have happened during Curtin's time nor in Mohammed's Arab Empire.

ps It is grand you admit there were 'fanatical' Islamist terrorists in Iraq. Wasn't that one of George, Tony and John's reasons ...?
Posted by keith, Sunday, 8 January 2006 11:07:01 AM
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