Col,

Pleeeeeeeeeeease will you stop wrapping inverted commas around everything? It is completely unnecessary.

I called you my friend because I was being sarcastic. I know, sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, punish me.

The down-casting of women is and continues to be a reality. It is not something that lies buried in our past. It is real and obvious.

You may judge people on their merits but my point was not strictly about you. My point was about our social state as I observe it. The reason I mentioned it was to point out my understanding of what Liz was saying, since you berated her.

I just wonder if you would employ me, Col. Would you judge me on my merits or would you be politically biased against the left? Even at 28 I consider myself merit-worthy. Would you like to view my resume? I suppose not.

And no, you aren’t responsible for the wrongs of your ancestors but you must recognise the reality that the past impacts on the present. I personally hope for a better future. I choose not to use words like “mankind” as it is traditional dogma that is inappropriate in today’s world. We are people, not men. We are humankind, not mankind.

Unless of course, you have a particular liking to men, Col. Don’t be concerned, most men like to watch male football stars groping each other on the field for a high salary while women playing the same sport get a fraction of the wage, if anything.

Then there is domestic violence, sexual assault, workplace harassment and the kind of stereotypes that keep women in kitchens, or playing taxi to drunk men at barbeques. It is a political and social reality that women are being repressed in a patriarchal society and a very important point that Liz touched on.

And no, I don’t think your ideas are beyond my comprehension. I am not a stupid person. But your ideas are usually beyond my acceptance or agreement.

Hi Liz,
I do not quite understand why you think I am attacking single mothers in my previous post about the baby bonus, I am not in fact I did not even mention single mothers in my post.
Indeed after my parents split up many years ago, my now late mother raised myself, my brother and my sister on her own on a disability pension,so I do understand how difficult it is to struggle.
These young mothers obviously do have partners/boyfriends however in the vast majority of cases we see the fathers are also on welfare payments and that is where my point lies, don't you think it is a silly policy to throw money at people to have children when quite a few of these new parents are really just still kids themselves?
I would also just like to explain that while speaking to one of our case workers recently,(Who incidentally has been doing family conferencing as we call it for some 20 odd years)tells me that in the suburbs we look after in some families there are 2 generations of people who have never worked meaning the last family members who had jobs were the grandparents.
I feel sorry for the poor children they are having imagine growing up in an environment where living off welfare payments are the norm.
That is the point I was trying to make that's all.
Cheers.

My apologies Mr H. I suppose when I read your comments stating:

' I see the results of this policy on a day to day basis. The worst part of this is that I see many young girls who come into our store with their welfare vouchers for clothing and most of them would be aged 17-25 age group and have at least 2 kids with them and it is not uncommon to see them pregnant yet again'

I jumped to the assumption (particularly since it has already been discussed in this thread), that here's another one who's stereotyping single mothers.

I do apologise again.

So the wash up Jason is "that paying mothers to have children should NOT stop" as your half smart suggestion implies....

Tubley “Would you judge me on my merits or would you be politically biased against the left?.”

That is a statement which displays a complete and profound ignorance of what “Merit” is.

Merit considers all aspects of all applicants. Anyone’s personal bias (be it political or regarding any other trait) may well benefit or detract from their meritorious suitability for any job.

Thus whilst your politics may well detract from your suitability for any role, it depends on the meritorious suitability of the other applicants as well.

Just another example of "merits" of "competition" in our daily lives.

“The down-casting of women is and continues to be a reality.”

And plenty of down-casting of men occurs too.

It is an attitudinal trait. As you should know, we can impose laws to regulate behaviour but the only thing which changes attitude is education.

Personally, I believe everyone is an individual and in most things gender makes no difference as do not religion or race.

You need to get up to speed in the history of enactment of the Factories and Industrial laws which curtail the involvement of women in certain activities and industries. This discrimination is to protect them form the toxic effects of dealing with substances which would effect their suitability to succeed in any future pregnancy (a consideration which does not effect “men”).

Your dislike of the term “mankind” shows more of your fixation with self-loathing. I am indifferent to it since, in using a word like “mankind” I do not perceive its use applying only to “men”.

What is your take on “menopause”. By your standards, it too is “inappropriate”. Maybe you should demand it be referred to only as “womanopause”.

As for your derisory cheap shot “Unless of course, you have a particular liking to men,”
Actually tubley, I am on record in declaring the only spectator sport I have any interest in watching at all is female mud wrestling.

“I am not a stupid person”

Self-assessment and self-declaration are never reliable sources for such statements.

Paying women to have children makes about as much sense as paying men to have sex. That is … if we truly believed in equality. Otherwise, we just continue to be concerned with what is in the best interest of the child - we all know by now that does not involve the fathers in any significant way.