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Cronulla Beach riots: making waves for the Asia Pacific region : Comments

By Peter Kell, published 19/12/2005

Peter Kell argues ambivalence by Howard Government has seen the trashing of the concept of multiculturalism.

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Why is it that I read opinions that reflect my point of view only in forums such as this?. Most of the contibuters above are obviously intelligent well adjusted people, yet the rational analysis presented in this forum for the cause of the recent Sydney riots can not be seen anywhere in the national press ( perhaps with the exception of Andrew Bolt).
I am constantly found asking myself "what is the agenda of these proffessional commentators, do they all secretly loath the average Australian?". They completely ignore the facts of the recent history of ethnic trouble in Cronulla, and latch onto one aspect of a recent confontation that seems to support their rabid left wing point of view.
Meanwhile the silent majority, who briefly gave an indication of their brewing resentment of the culture of political correctness, the ineptitude of police enforcement, the laughing stock judicial system, and indifference of politicians to public opinion, will probably be brow beaten back by to their 'make no waves' life by bullies such as Peter Kell and so called other 'spokeman for the people'.
Posted by Eddy, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:46:51 AM
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Eddy, you are so right. It makes a person wonder why so few people stand up and say the things that must be said. Is it fear? politeness? self-hate? stupidity? indifference? a conspiracy? all of the preceding?

To me it is what I call the Orthodoxy of Expectations. All organizations and society have a culture, one that regulates what you can do and especially what you can say. In some organizations this control is worse than others. And it is worst of all at universities, government and the media. I have some experience with the first two and it is not pretty. It is 1984 all over. Boy, did old Orwell know his stuff.

Also there is the fact that the Internet is basically an anonymous instrument that offers protection and peace of mind. Another important fact is that most of us don’t care what others think of them or, as in my case, have little to lose. Even so, I doubt that some people here could say the things they post at their place of work or school. That is the power of orthodoxy – it makes a person dishonest.

It is important to speak out. It is the only way that we can possibly avoid more and much more serious trouble. Yes, Muslims will not appreciate straight talk, but if nothing is done, and the PC multiculturalists continue to push their agenda of hate and divisiveness, we will see open war on the streets of Europe, Australia, and other places. The blood will flow. It is just a matter of time.

There is also the danger that extreme right-wing groups will offer gain popular support and power because moderate and conservative leaders will not say the things that need to be said. Look at what they did to Churchill for most of the 1930s. For almost 10 years the BBC did not let him on the air and he was vilified by the media for being so “negative” about Hitler and the Nazis. Where is our Churchill? Who will dare to tell the truth about Islam?

Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 12:21:48 PM
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I wonder if that chap of middle eastern appearance would have been bashed up by that mob at the beach?

Can anyone point out were in the bible it says it's okay to work on the sabbath?

No one has come up with a valid reason way we shouldn't just drop a bomb on "New York" of Australia. Seems to me they are not Australians anyway.
Posted by Kenny, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 12:50:25 PM
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Ev,

I have been living out of Oz for a few years and almost certainly less aware of the Law and Order enforcement to which you refer. Herein, I take it you are saying Police adopt inequitable procedures. I really do not feel qualified to make personal comment, but note, similar remarks to yours have been made by others in context with The Bock at Redfern. Perhaps, an unbalanced approach by against the Anglo community -if this is the case- reflects political correctness and/or the wish not to further enflame minority groups against the core culture?

Keith,

Interesting post. I have heard in US, there is a move by some to rename “Christmas Trees”, “Holiday Trees”.

Arab tribalism:

Keith, what you say about Islam rings true and sounds a tintinnabulation for other religions too. Just the same, the same religions not only drive culture, deep culture steers religion.

The Meccan Quaraysh were tribal. More importantly Muhammed ibn Aballahah was tribal in outlook, albeit, he wanted to unify disparate Arab tribes. But “muruwah” or manly suffering for the dedication to the tribe was profoundly ingrained. Self sufficiency (istaqa) in the context of the Hashim clan (Muhammed’s clan) was seen to threaten communitarianism, from the fifth century, when nomadic life was replaced with a more settled civil existence. At the same time, modernity in Sassanid Persia and Byzantium threatened these Arabs. This situation exposed the Arabs to external threats and exploitation from the aforementioned two significant outside powers.

It came to pass:

In the seventh century, Muhammed’s task was to develop a religion unifying continuing warring Arab tribes into a larger community (ummah). Adopting Christianity was out: The Christian doctrine on the fate of the individual, subordinated the individual directly to God, rather than the survival of the tribe.

Muhammed needed to reach back into Arab tradition by selecting al-Lah, a high God of the Arabian pantheon. Al-Lah was a fine choice, because the Kabah was dedicated to Al-Lah having associations with the early hajj, wherein, tribes would need to suspend hostilities to trade: A good start.

- More later, space restriction.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 2:29:25 PM
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The point of the above is the same as my first posting: At Cronulla, we have a conflict between tribes the Lebanese tribe and a tribe of marginalised Anglos. Relative to their society, the former are typical and inclusive, while the latter are atypical and less significant. Moreover, the former stand closer to the locus of their traditional society, while the latter are remote from the locus of their traditional society.

Arab society has carried forward many of the value systems of the pre-settlement and pre-axial periods. In this way, it remains familial and tribal. Herein, it is hard to for the Arabs “to let go” to fuse with Western society to become a new composite society. The Arab tribal value systems do not readily enmesh with Western style societies.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 2:56:05 PM
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Oliver

Exactly the stuff we all need to understand.

I hadn't considered Muhammed's tridal background at all.

Such comment as yours does add an authoratitive, albiet augmentative context and a deeper perspective of events in Sydney.

I agree with your views on the absence of tribalism among Anglo's. There is no great tribal or collectivist history. There is however a consistant history of unifications to protect values of communities of like minded individuals.
Posted by keith, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 5:11:34 PM
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