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Honest, clear-eyed, capitalist youth : Comments

By Jane Caro, published 16/12/2005

Jane Caro concludes tensions between parents and children remain unchanged and the same goes for the music.

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My generation teethed on Jazz of the 30's & 40's and the added bonus of a visiting string Quartet to our Taringa State Primary School that introduced us to an enjoyable dose of light classical.
A pianist mother who played the greats of tin pan alley like Fats Waller,with a thumping stride style entertained our family in the before T.V. era with sing alongs around the piano.
The big band music of The Dorsey brothers, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Woody Herman, Duke Ellington,Louis Armstrong,carried me through my teenage Ballroom dancing years with an appreciation of music that has developed to appreciate a wide variety of music up until the mid 60's when I switched off..head banging,Punk and rock.
My response has been to introduce them to Tommy Emmanuel, James Morrison, Birelli Legrande,Django Rheinhard, Bob Barnard, Graeme Bell,My kids have a liking for the music of their era and look like needing hearing aids in later years but they have been exposed to some really great music of my era which in my observation has overcome the tensions between the generations. They have grown without becoming vandals or social misfits, they didn't join gangs or engage in socially unacceptable behaviour. They are not racist or bigots and they are not on the dole. What more can I say.....I'm proud of them. I think they are decent human beings, an asset to society.
Posted by maracas, Friday, 16 December 2005 9:57:58 PM
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Certainly our kids now seem more frivolous and apparently freedom loving, but apparently not all as shown by the Sydney ruckus over the weekend.

Furthemore it could said that too many of our online sessions seem to be involved with people sniping at one another, something that would not be tolerated in any university discussion.

The problem is that with too much sniping, though somewhat entertaining, we never seem to get to the real core of the terrorist problem, which of course, is simply a people problem. All wars through history, have been caused by people problems, as we know from the Crusades as indeed, we are having one now at it from both sides.

What can be said also that the difference between a university Humanities lecture and our Online talkbacks is that in the Humanities there is the effort, though not always successful, to use reason, part of which is at least a try to believe in the need these days to discuss sharing the blame for terrorism, as recommended by Nelson Mandela, and also incidently by the recently deceased Catholic Pope. Nearly all good Humanities-based history books have sections devoted to blame-sharing, and one believes if it was taught more in high and primary schools it might be a far more friendly world. .

It was so enlightening despite the unfortunate Sydney ruckus over the weekend to note certain groups of young people, both migrant Muslims and Aussies very much ready to get together and admit that both sides are more than a bit wrong. All one can say, the more of such on our online sessions the better, and even if it went worldwide very much the better. We could ask all Christians and Muslims to pray for it, as well as unbelievers to wish for it, otherwise our great great grandkids on both sides will be cursing us for our lack of wisdom and understanding, or in outback Aussie terms, just plain commonsense.
Posted by bushbred, Saturday, 17 December 2005 1:57:48 AM
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Col ROUGE, - what an empty head you are, I feel sorry for your daughters, if only they had somone who could nututre them, encoursge them, and spur them on to gteater heightes. I have a six year oldewho is reading level Grade 4, because of ecoursgement from her teacher, and parents, you strike me as being one of those old time conservative parents who don't provide the encouragement, for your daughters to do well. I may be wrong, however everythging seems to me as though you don't realy know how to br a loving, supportivr parent. This I find very sad. Not only fot you, but espially your fauourite daughters, I would be weilling to give them the support bthey deserve. Please Just let me know, it would be a pleasure to introduce your girls, to the real world, an expeirence you cannot provide.
Posted by SHONGA, Saturday, 17 December 2005 2:11:43 AM
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SHONGA,
What planet are you from?
The real world is about drugs, legal and illegal, and getting "p*ssed" and bashing someone before they bash you.
Have you read today's headlines.
The real world is about money and greed and that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Christmas is about buying the biggest present . . . or it's about parents lighting up their house with Christmas lights for all the street to see while their kids don't get what they want because their parents have to pay the electricity bill.
Today's world is that the kids of the families with the most money go to university even if they are as dumb as a door post while the poorer kids go to TAFE to be "lolly-pop" people on the roads.
All what I am describing is what adults made the world what it is for kids and themselves.
Power and money is what families are about. To give presents is about power and money.
Christmas is about power and money.
Having kids is about power and money because when you have a kid you get money from the government.
School is about teaching kids what adults want them to learn so they can get a job at McDonalds, not what kids want to learn.
I hope I have educated you a bit about the life in Australia for kids, while parents work around the clock to buy worthwhile things like a bigger TV or a second garage for a second or third or fourth car to pollute the streets.
Posted by GlenWriter, Saturday, 17 December 2005 12:26:46 PM
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Shonga – “Col ROUGE, - what an empty head you are, I feel sorry for your daughters,”

Oh don’t do that – my daughters “value” (as well as “love”) me as their father and say and demonstrate so in lots of ways. I also taught them that simply “feeling sorry” is worthless.
If one is sincere about “feeling sorry”, one does something – the feeling, by itself, is an internal experience which matters not one iota to the rest of the world, only to the self-centred dullards who enjoy revelling in self-pity – So, I guess you can claim to “feel sorry” about lots of things.

As for you having a 6 year old – that was a surprise for me – from your posts I was quite sure you were barely past puberty and of an age to be developmentally incapable of parenting.

As for the “real world” both my daughters live in their own homes and work in jobs and careers they found for themselves. From me they get

1 The belief that they are capable of doing anything they want
2 The understanding that they are, first and foremost, individuals with the right to decide their lives for themselves.
2 Absolute and unconditional (I repeat “Unconditional”) Love.

The elder is in the process of buying her second property (the first will then be retained as an investment property - which is not bad for a 25 year old who has done it without parental financial contributions).

No fairy floss ideas of socialist piddling or manipulation exists where they “live” – just as I demonstrated to them – don’t believe the w*nkers who preach socialist doctrines – they are just snake-oil salesmen peddling a different panacea.

So, Shonga, keep your feelings of sorrow for yourself – and be assured – you neither deserve nor will get any sense of “Sorry” from me or my daughters.
We live in that “real world” where “acts of compassion” cannot be substituted with the emotional fluff and sentimental swill commonly referred to as “feeling sorry”.
Posted by Col Rouge, Saturday, 17 December 2005 1:03:21 PM
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Hey Jane

Yep you've got it right. Or 'right on'. In more ways than one. I too am proud of my kids. In their development, they've responded to that single element, more than to anything else I have seen. It is remarkable and after conversations with may Dad he says very similar things.
But... he reckons I'm more conservative than him and I reckon my kids are more conservative than me. Which means, if the trend continues, somewhere in my descendants, there might be lurking a Ghengis Khan. :-)
The bit about us having more control because of mobile phones, well that works in the reverse too. My greastest fear as a teen was my parents intruding on my 'scene'. My kids don't have that fear. My and their mobiles make sure they know exactly where I am ... most of the time.

Try Jack Johnson...my son's only (Worthwhile) contribution to my music experience.

Regards
Posted by keith, Saturday, 17 December 2005 3:57:23 PM
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