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A new switched-on and cynical generation : Comments

By Peter West, published 12/12/2005

Peter West looks at the younger generation and what forms their opinions and habits.

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Col, I think you may need to know more before commenting on people's "choices". Did you get to "choose" what sex you are? No, and nor do transexuals get to choose. See, you and transexuals have something in common.

Are you glad, comfortable in your skin, and feel right through to your inner self that the gender with which are associated by other people is congruent with your sex? If yes, well good for you; not everyone has the good fortune to be born with unambiguous sexual and gender identity.

For some people Col, the only 'choosing' being done, is choosing to not live a lie, and choosing to not live as if being in the wrong body. For the vast majority, that choice doesn't have to be made. Lucky.
Posted by Fiona, Thursday, 15 December 2005 2:23:40 PM
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Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family,
“Surely if I am bound by a society's laws, then ipso facto I would also be entitled to expect a similar level of opportunity to participate in particularly the economic life of society. Its attitudes like yours and your generation in power in business and industry that helps to shut out those who can't help who they are.”

Why?

I notice you use the words “Entitled to expect”

I would have thought you would have got it from my last post.

You or me, it does not matter,

I am “Entitled” to – Nothing

You are “Entitled” to – Nothing

So cut the whining, the self-centred fixation and the “pity me” attitude. It will not work me any more than with any prospective employer.

Just remember – “Employment” is not a “right”.

Supplying “labour or “Human Resource” is a competitive, market based process (even trades unionists know that).

If you want to get a job, understand this, the employer is your “client”. Being sensitive to your clients "expectations" is the first step to “employment success”.

Personally, I have a number of “clients”. They range from state governments to finance, software and engineering companies.
I have “negotiated” completely different terms of “employment” with each. It suits them and me to have our individual arrangements. But with none of them am I “Entitled to expect” anything, beyond payment for services provided on the terms of the contract negotiated.

As for my “attitude” – I suggest you grow up – if you want to be “different”, that is fine.

But whilst not a transsexual, I am just as “individually unique” as you.

The only difference between us -

I know how to “market” my "unique" qualities (– eg. if my clients want me to do a job – they don’t whine about my hourly rate. I charge more per hour than most others but I will do it right first time and not leave a disaster in my wake)

– but obviously when it comes to "self promotion" you don’t have a clue!
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 15 December 2005 3:08:45 PM
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Welcome to the brave new world of what's called "workplace relations" where the strong prosper and the weak get kicked into the gutter.

Unless you're a rocket scientist, many jobs don't require high intelligence or skill to be done very well, and almost all the time recruitment is based upon the personal biases of whoever's meeting candidates. Employers know this, so place a high emphasis on personally meeting with applicants in order to sift them out and eliminate those who may in their eyes be socially or culturally undesirable.

I note that many people engage contractors without interview, but employers are bent on control and their ideations about returning to pre-20th century Master-Servant relations, now aided and abetted by a government without a clear mandate to do so.

Rather than promoting to their staff that they will give anyone who's best for the job a fair go, they will likely pander to the redneck element in their team by keeping out applicants who might inflame that element--and you don't really have to do anything in my position to be at risk of the wrath of some mad conservative, simply being there is just enough. They panic at being confronted daily with something they consider abhorrent and would rather retreat to their fundamentalist churches or mass-produced legoland homes. Expecting people to be as homogenous as the housing they live in is quite unsurprising at all.
Posted by Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family, Thursday, 15 December 2005 8:01:34 PM
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I have heard many tales of how hard the world was back in the day from the boomer and pre boomer generations. The young are selfish and want it all now, housing is more affordable now than ever and there is a lot more opportunity.
So why do they call it 'The Good Old Days'
Well according to grandmother my grandfather (a tradesman) would have to earn twice what he would be earning today to pay for a mortgage in order for them to survive the world today. She doesnt envy the youth of today at all. Todays youth have been stripped of hope. Unreasonable living costs that have been driven up beyond the means to pay for them over decades and governments who dont give a fig.
Do the sums. A financial advisor gave me a few facts when I went to him for advise on paying my home loan out quicker. It isnt something you see or read about in the media.
Give the youth a break, its a different world today. Most I know are trying there best trying to make enough money to start a life and get some security because the government certainly isnt.
Posted by bear, Friday, 16 December 2005 11:09:38 AM
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So, what could be a choice in this racist place for non-Anglo-Celts, Col. Rouge et al?
Posted by MichaelK., Friday, 16 December 2005 11:17:23 AM
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Fiona “Col, I think you may need to know more before commenting on people's "choices".”

I make no “exception” for peoples choices. They are theirs to make, not mine to impose or be bound by.

“Did you get to "choose" what sex you are?”

Like many other aspects of my life, my skin and hair colour, my IQ how rich my parents were, I got to choose none of them. What I have done is “play the hand I have been dealt” and make the most of it.

Hence asking me
“Are you glad, comfortable in your skin,”

I am supremely comfy, some might say, in a state of bliss.

As for “not everyone has the good fortune to be born with unambiguous sexual and gender identity.” –

and from the trannie of the “merchant family” – I would guess, “his” start in life and all the social advantages which flow from being a member of an “affluent family of urban elites” – was a lot more “comfortable” than my “working class” origins.

However, I do not come here and whine about being ““Entitled to expect” this, that or the other

Making choices in life is critical to personal growth and self-fulfilment..

I figure, Fiona, your efforts to deny reality and the right of other people to employ those they see fit does not matter, so long as someone from (in their own words) an “affluent family of urban elites” is cosseted and accommodated and patronised to make them feel less of a reject than they most likely really are.

As for “For the vast majority, that choice doesn't have to be made. Lucky.”

Plenty of people have dealt with greater burdens than a “sexual identity crisis” – maybe some have indulged in such crises as an alternative to boredom from having no “real” problems to deal with.

MichaelK “non-anglo-celts” was that a rhetorical question ?

If it is answer it yourself and deal with the circumstances of your own life.
No one owes non-anglo-celts anything more than they owe anglo-celts just ask the Grollo family..
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 16 December 2005 12:47:34 PM
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