I am very happy with where we are heading.

It puzzles me that people forget youth is a stage, your attitudes at 16 can be vastly different at 24.

They are Americanised, but so was i at 16 through the power of music, tv and video. As you get older, you become your own person, and these followings generally change, in many instances in line with the concieved 'adult Australian culture'.

This generation will be the first generation to loathe war, to have little preconceptions, and to be informed to the point where retirement is a choice due to the ability and avenues to create wealth. As far as worrying about these kids having degradated lives, perhaps the IR reform will impact, but these kids have far more benefits and knowledge than other generations.

Politics they should have no interest in at this point. the bad attitudes and the misconceptions of baby boomers are not there also. This generation will have the power to steer a powerful ship, the only danger in my eyes is that they may view our allies in a more neutral stance as they will be not afraid to voice opinions.

This is a generation to be proud of. They have far more sociological pressures, grow up much quicker, and absorb far more messages each day than thier predaccessors.

We are in safe hands, and we are getting one step closer with each generation to unity as a planet.

Tell me, when you were my age of 17 and now today.. Did you change the world or become apart of the Senate in our government. I think not.

I admit im a computer game nut, but its because I hate the world we live in today.

* If you disagree with the mob about issues they will call you homophobic, racist and/or humiliate you due to our huge immigration populance and nearly most of Melbourne is asian if you have ever looked now.
* Crappy generic rap gangster music that a primary school could produce which promotes black men to exploit women. It all sounds the same
* An unfair education system, that doesnt work and ends up failing most of our childrens dreams due to the extreme pressure of extreme Enter scores. The education system actually favors migrants pockets and their children than our own. Then they usually travel back home with their qualification and we are left with nothing. As seen by our extreme lack of labor shortages.
* An age of thuggery where its not safe to roam the streets any more without arming yourself with somthing
* The attack on Unions, removing our saftey and security in the workplace IR, and volentary student unionism.
* increasing prices due to inflation such as fuel, and the sale of our comapnies ie: Telstra, Heinz, Arnotts are all now not truly owned anymore.
Obvously it sounds white supremicst but its true... Australia is becomming a jail, where we are trapped in our own rules and regulations.

The society we live in sucks, your generate ate the meat, we were left with the offale. Playing computer games, and watching TV is our escape from the cruel harsh reality of todays society and goverment

Amen to "[i]ssues like this will develop children's cynicism". The problem is going to be how to stop the drift from past conformism, through present cynicism to future anarchy. There are fewer and fewer reasons why young people should "respect" history, since as its product we appear to do so little to earn it.

They are bombarded with an unprecedented stream of negative images - kids overboard, internment camps for immigrants, media personalities using insider information, bank managers taking home multi-millions of dollars in pay and perks, politicians dissembling on terrorism, mobs of yobs fighting for our Australian Way of Life - that has no discernible form, consistency or moral foundation.

This generates in them a form of semi-withdrawal, where they sit in front of interactive combat games, or hide from the world behind iPods. If we don't engage them soon with a little more honesty and a little less greed, this will quickly become alienation.

Hannibal Barca,

You should keep a copy of your post so you can look at it when you are 30. You'll then realise how naive you were at 17. I thought I knew everything at 17 but now I know I knew hardly anything.

Here's something to think about:

"The society we live in sucks, your generate ate the meat, we were left with the offale."

This seems to be a typical comment from a young person like you. You think everything should be given to you. Try spending less time gaming and more time working (or studying). Many baby boomers worked hard to get where they are.

"An unfair education system, that doesnt work and ends up failing most of our childrens dreams due to the extreme pressure of extreme Enter scores."

So, how do you propose you gain entry to university then? This is the only "level playing field" option available, otherwise only rich kids would go to university. (I know the HECS system is not perfect, but you can still get an education now, and pay for it later.)

By the way, Heinz was always an American company!

Hannibal, regrettably possibly ALL (certainly, at least, MOST) of us are latent racists in the sense that we tend to put our own interests ahead of the wider and diverse world public - and then seek to justify it on various spurious grounds. Like for instance, the idea that migrants are treated more favourably than whiteys like me and (presumably) you. It simply isn't so. You need more than imagination; you need evidence to get away with that kind of claim.

Or maybe evidence ISN'T necessary. A person who is happy to throw around accusations about "society" is not really going to care about truth anyway, and might even enjoy being a hater.

Be a society-hating gamer by all means Hannibal, but spend some time away from the console. Get to know different kinds of people. Even Blacks. Migrants. You might find yourself with friends. It's better to really know about people, than to just assume and condemn on some thoughtless, glib basis. People who think they know, but who don't want to test their opinions against facts: hmmmm, sounds like the perfect John Howard audience to me.....

Substituting brain with computers is a very factual policy of educators paid for preserving dark ages feudalism in outskirts of British Commonwealth, where natural feelings and expressions have artificially been suppressed by hypocrites of different congregations and faiths, having good profit from their babble talks

I agree with Realist.

As a baby boomer the post WWII world was a changed place form the pre WWII world.

When I was young I was rebellious and contrary as anyone could be. I argued with my parents incessantly.

The only difference is the nature of the “changes”. Other than that, the world remains a constantly changing place, constantly re-inventing itself, each generation challenging and rebuilding what went before.

Social values have changed, I believe, largely for the better. We are no longer held in a social straight jacket of say “class”. People are free to exercise their own “free will” with more discretion than in any previous time and obviously held to a higher level of personal responsibility than ever before.

Along with the Simpsons, children of today have far greater opportunity, through say the internet, to communicate on a one to one basis with people on other countries.
Through communication comes understanding.
Through understanding comes tolerance.
And if the world is to find any state of “peace” it will only be through “tolerance”.

Not quite sure what the article was trying to say, it struck me as a shopping list-styled overview of youth culture as viewed at arm's length, but not everything mentioned is exclusively relevant to people under 20. How 'today's teenager' thinks is largely contingent on where they live and their socio-economic situation. I'm yet to meet any teen that stands up as typical. I have teen children and teen friends, whom I chat with on the internet, therefore I feel quite connected to that generation. Some are astoundingly bright, articulate and politically aware, while others are vacuous and self absorbed, the same variety of humanity that dwelled the earth in my day. The only thing today's kids lack is the benefit of hindsight that we all gain with years and wisdom, otherwise - we all go through the same passage (as was mentioned earlier) in much the same way, with the same insecurities and doubts. Our toys may differ, but our minds, hearts and souls are the same.

By way of background I'm age 31, had been not in labor force most of my life and come from an affluent family of urban elites based in Adelaide's inner-east. I reside in a well-known, ageing public housing precinct in a secret inner-city location of Sydney.

Its very hard to say whether its better now than in the "old days" or as some fondly recall "good old days". There was certainly worse discrimination, much less freedom in many areas of life. Now but, there is more insecurity at work, labor market changes and high immigration ensure an oversupplied labor market so employers can hold the whip hand. In a masterfully crafted campaign of spin, the BCA spent a fortune on a TV campaign portraying a withered leather-bound old book of industrial law and said we need to move forward. Thing is, if we do away with that book, and only have half the present protection to replace it, we are returning to the bad old Master-Servant relationship, already evidenced in some industries where employers wield enormous 'bargaining' power compared to their servants.

Today's freedom is great but often an illusion to old folks who say young people are all-up, better off. The certain freedoms we have are definintely welcome, but the losses of freedom and security in life are like a nightmare. The freedom I have to live my own life is not translated into the same chances in the labor market as other similarly aged and qualified persons, nor when I was younger (20-25) was it ever that way either.

Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family
"The freedom I have to live my own life is not translated into the same chances in the labor market as other similarly aged and qualified persons, nor when I was younger (20-25) was it ever that way either. "

I guess your "freedom to choose a lifestyle" may confront an employers right to employ "the person most suitable for the job" and maybe the "trappings of your lifestyle" simply work against you.

In short, the world and no employer owes you a living. I have always needed to "compromise" or at least "consider" the "choices" I make in terms of appearance to best suit my opportunities for success in this commercial world, maybe you should consider doing the same.

Bing internationally accepted and having proven to be a highly qualified professional in highly demanded in Australia areas of engineering, I am a non-Anglo-Celt – that is an end of story, Col. Rouge, with getting post-graduate qualifications from Melbourne Uni and being employed even in so-much-heralded-worldwide-to-be-so-multicultural Melbourne, Australia.

Col Rouge: I have always needed to "compromise" or at least "consider" the "choices" I make in terms of appearance to best suit my opportunities for success in this commercial world, maybe you should consider doing the same.

Well no wonder I am part of a cynical generation. What does the person I am have to do with my capacity for any job? Surely if I am bound by a society's laws, then ipso facto I would also be entitled to expect a similar level of opportunity to participate in particularly the economic life of society. Its attitudes like yours and your generation in power in business and industry that helps to shut out those who can't help who they are. Last time I checked, I am Australian, surely what of values such as "freedom" of expression and a "fair go" for all?

A fair go for selected types only. Others stay out. Why would I ever bother with work when I have to contend with your types? No-one else has to put up with that rubbish.

Col, I think you may need to know more before commenting on people's "choices". Did you get to "choose" what sex you are? No, and nor do transexuals get to choose. See, you and transexuals have something in common.

Are you glad, comfortable in your skin, and feel right through to your inner self that the gender with which are associated by other people is congruent with your sex? If yes, well good for you; not everyone has the good fortune to be born with unambiguous sexual and gender identity.

For some people Col, the only 'choosing' being done, is choosing to not live a lie, and choosing to not live as if being in the wrong body. For the vast majority, that choice doesn't have to be made. Lucky.

Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family,
“Surely if I am bound by a society's laws, then ipso facto I would also be entitled to expect a similar level of opportunity to participate in particularly the economic life of society. Its attitudes like yours and your generation in power in business and industry that helps to shut out those who can't help who they are.”

Why?

I notice you use the words “Entitled to expect”

I would have thought you would have got it from my last post.

You or me, it does not matter,

I am “Entitled” to – Nothing

You are “Entitled” to – Nothing

So cut the whining, the self-centred fixation and the “pity me” attitude. It will not work me any more than with any prospective employer.

Just remember – “Employment” is not a “right”.

Supplying “labour or “Human Resource” is a competitive, market based process (even trades unionists know that).

If you want to get a job, understand this, the employer is your “client”. Being sensitive to your clients "expectations" is the first step to “employment success”.

Personally, I have a number of “clients”. They range from state governments to finance, software and engineering companies.
I have “negotiated” completely different terms of “employment” with each. It suits them and me to have our individual arrangements. But with none of them am I “Entitled to expect” anything, beyond payment for services provided on the terms of the contract negotiated.

As for my “attitude” – I suggest you grow up – if you want to be “different”, that is fine.

But whilst not a transsexual, I am just as “individually unique” as you.

The only difference between us -

I know how to “market” my "unique" qualities (– eg. if my clients want me to do a job – they don’t whine about my hourly rate. I charge more per hour than most others but I will do it right first time and not leave a disaster in my wake)

– but obviously when it comes to "self promotion" you don’t have a clue!

Welcome to the brave new world of what's called "workplace relations" where the strong prosper and the weak get kicked into the gutter.

Unless you're a rocket scientist, many jobs don't require high intelligence or skill to be done very well, and almost all the time recruitment is based upon the personal biases of whoever's meeting candidates. Employers know this, so place a high emphasis on personally meeting with applicants in order to sift them out and eliminate those who may in their eyes be socially or culturally undesirable.

I note that many people engage contractors without interview, but employers are bent on control and their ideations about returning to pre-20th century Master-Servant relations, now aided and abetted by a government without a clear mandate to do so.

Rather than promoting to their staff that they will give anyone who's best for the job a fair go, they will likely pander to the redneck element in their team by keeping out applicants who might inflame that element--and you don't really have to do anything in my position to be at risk of the wrath of some mad conservative, simply being there is just enough. They panic at being confronted daily with something they consider abhorrent and would rather retreat to their fundamentalist churches or mass-produced legoland homes. Expecting people to be as homogenous as the housing they live in is quite unsurprising at all.

I have heard many tales of how hard the world was back in the day from the boomer and pre boomer generations. The young are selfish and want it all now, housing is more affordable now than ever and there is a lot more opportunity.
So why do they call it 'The Good Old Days'
Well according to grandmother my grandfather (a tradesman) would have to earn twice what he would be earning today to pay for a mortgage in order for them to survive the world today. She doesnt envy the youth of today at all. Todays youth have been stripped of hope. Unreasonable living costs that have been driven up beyond the means to pay for them over decades and governments who dont give a fig.
Do the sums. A financial advisor gave me a few facts when I went to him for advise on paying my home loan out quicker. It isnt something you see or read about in the media.
Give the youth a break, its a different world today. Most I know are trying there best trying to make enough money to start a life and get some security because the government certainly isnt.

So, what could be a choice in this racist place for non-Anglo-Celts, Col. Rouge et al?

Fiona “Col, I think you may need to know more before commenting on people's "choices".”

I make no “exception” for peoples choices. They are theirs to make, not mine to impose or be bound by.

“Did you get to "choose" what sex you are?”

Like many other aspects of my life, my skin and hair colour, my IQ how rich my parents were, I got to choose none of them. What I have done is “play the hand I have been dealt” and make the most of it.

Hence asking me
“Are you glad, comfortable in your skin,”

I am supremely comfy, some might say, in a state of bliss.

As for “not everyone has the good fortune to be born with unambiguous sexual and gender identity.” –

and from the trannie of the “merchant family” – I would guess, “his” start in life and all the social advantages which flow from being a member of an “affluent family of urban elites” – was a lot more “comfortable” than my “working class” origins.

However, I do not come here and whine about being ““Entitled to expect” this, that or the other

Making choices in life is critical to personal growth and self-fulfilment..

I figure, Fiona, your efforts to deny reality and the right of other people to employ those they see fit does not matter, so long as someone from (in their own words) an “affluent family of urban elites” is cosseted and accommodated and patronised to make them feel less of a reject than they most likely really are.

As for “For the vast majority, that choice doesn't have to be made. Lucky.”

Plenty of people have dealt with greater burdens than a “sexual identity crisis” – maybe some have indulged in such crises as an alternative to boredom from having no “real” problems to deal with.

MichaelK “non-anglo-celts” was that a rhetorical question ?

If it is answer it yourself and deal with the circumstances of your own life.
No one owes non-anglo-celts anything more than they owe anglo-celts just ask the Grollo family..

Like many other aspects of my life, my skin and hair colour, my IQ how rich my parents were, I got to choose none of them. What I have done is “play the hand I have been dealt” and make the most of it."-Col there's been no advantage to me for years now based upon the social class of my family, in fact it has no effect on my prospects at all. Are you resentful your father didn't have more money in the bank, send you to a private school or live in a better neighborhood?

"She doesnt envy the youth of today at all. Todays youth have been stripped of hope. Unreasonable living costs that have been driven up beyond the means to pay for them over decades and governments who dont give a fig."--Bear you really make sense. If you're different you stand to be condemned to the servant classes rather than the career classes and that's that.

The sooner our previous generation loses its grip on power in business and government through natural attrition, it will be better for the community. Having said that though, I have friends whose family adore them, similar background, except that the families do not have considerable resources like mine do. Maybe poorer folks appreciate their kids more, after all sometimes its all they've got really. Nothing to compete with a luxury European car, the gold american express, a fast-growing profitable business or a dress-circle home.

I was a good teenager, did well at school and never really ran amok or used any drugs. All that was to come later. My citizenship rights I know are somewhat less than others in the community. I cannot receive in our "public health" system the necessary medical treatment I require I'd have to pay for it. Why? Politics, pennypinching and just sheer disregard for people's needs.

To Col Rouge (the one who stated: "I figure, Fiona, your efforts to deny reality and the right of other people to employ those they see fit".... Well I don't recall expressing so much as a word on the subject of the rights of people to employ whoever they see fit, nor am I now. This is known as a "straw argument". AKA a waste of time. Anyone can 'win' a straw argument Col. For example try this:

"Col, your efforts to deny reality with your insistence that the sky over the Dandenongs is always olive green, is patently untrue when you consider the evidence of the blue skies over the area".

See, I win! How utterly pointless.

The Trannie “Col there's been no advantage to me for years now based upon the social class of my family”

I would suggest, you are in no position to assess how much an advantage your family’s “social position” might have made.

Have you ever wondered how much "harder" the path you have chosen to walk would have been if you came from – say Elizabeth SA?
One might even speculate, a harsher upbringing with less “indulgence” might have pushed you in an entirely different “direction”.

I love my parents and resent nothing in my upbringing, I cherish the fact that what I have done has been the fruit of my own labour and due, in no part to props and crutches afforded by social advantage or position.

As for “If you're different you stand to be condemned” –

See herein lies the shallowness of your claims –

REALITY – the world is comprised of billions of INDIVIDUALS –

I would guess you actually resent that your family’s standards regarding “social acceptability” conflicts with your “socially unacceptable sexuality”.

In this you display yourself as self-pitying and dull.

If you were genuinely “different” and had some redeemable qualities, you would not give a hoot about being supposedly “socially disadvantaged”, you would simply “play the hand you decided to keep” and those driven by “social acceptance” could “go to hell in a hand basket”.

Whilst I do not walk the path you have chosen, do not assume me to be some conventional prude with “vanilla” taste (I am far from being so).
I just have never ever cared how some people might label me, I know I have friends who love me and I am prepared and able to maintain a public and professional “persona” which advances and advantages me.

It is not hard to do – but does require more “imagination” than simply being “camp”.

Fiona – the last two words of your last post describe all you have written thus far (and possibly, the extent of your entire existence).

And it is not a rhetoric question but of a practical interest, Col Rouge, for me and too many others.

OH well col thats how it is. You know my family's in Adelaide actually, they live in Burnside-Norwood corridor and he's got his factory over your way. Your argument lacks substance as it claims that I have benefitted to this day from my upbringing [when in fact there is no evidence of benefit]. I'll think of your claim that I'm advantaged when I'm waiting in a public hospital for a procedure when they're getting things done in the private wing of the nationally renowned Flinders Medical Centre or a little private hospital. Its really an advantage and an easy life huh like my that of my friend who rented in his area and travel to Woodville Park at night and an advantage when I visit there and had to stay in other accommodations not the home. When I took the bus from Dequetteville Tce to their place I was greeted but they would not let me in at their home. Anyway I spent a night out in the Hindley St area. I did end up enjoying myself.

Col, one of the differences between you and me is that I would never say that all you say (or all that you are) is "utterly pointless".... however much that may seem to be so.

The events in Germany in the 1930s and 40s began with individuals expressing their disrespect, their contempt of other people's beliefs and ultimately their dismissal of the humanity of others. That kind is not renowned for their insight (either self-awareness or empathy), nor for rational and reasoned debate - the huff-and-puff and preoccupation with self-importance being the most important thing.

Trannie - You said your family was in Adelaide. I am not so different locales mean nothing to me..

All you whining is all about you. The word “narcissistic” comes to mind when I read your posts.

You seem to believe that, regardless of your relative (to other applicants) suitability for any job, you are, “Entitled to expect” it.

You seem to believe that, regardless of how “different” you want to be, for whatever reason, other people are “required” to accept you.

Well, no one is acclaimed by everyone, regardless of ”differences”.

No one deserves or gets the “adulation of the world” simply because they believe they are “Entitled to expect” it.

1 You are NOT Entitled to Expect Anything in this life because no one “Owes” you anything.

2. Being “different” is a nonsense when Everyone on this earth is “different” to everyone else.
“Being Different” is the Norm! How ironic.

Prattle on all you want but after you have been “de-sexed”, you will be biologically “less” than you are now. Live with that and then wonder if it was worth it but don’t go lodging writs against the Doctor because what you got does not make you feel any “different” to now.

Being “yourself” and accepting “who you are” is one of the real growth factors everyone faces in life. The surgery you seek is little more than “cosmetic",

because the part which matters and needs “work” is not between your legs but between your ears.

All that will likely mean nothing to you because you are, I suspect, just self centered. narcissistic and “rebelling” against the people who love you but sick of being blackmailed by you (ie they are using “tough love”).

Fiona, lets bring up the Nazis! Because I disagree with you I must, therefore, be some kind of “Intolerant Fascist”.

A Bankrupt's Argument

Your lack of reasoning is why your post is “utterly pointless”. You fail, miserably, to get the point.

Everything I do supports the idea that every individual is an “individual” and “different” but no more “deserving” because of that.

All that will likely mean nothing to you because you are, I suspect, just self centered. narcissistic and “rebelling” against the people who love you but sick of being blackmailed by you (ie they are using “tough love”).

Prove it. There isn't anyone in my family that does. I can't remember in more than ten years any statement of love, nor demonstration of emotion upon [rare] meetings between us. His interests are confined to his bottom line. A search of my previous posts will reveal details of his commercial interests including which Company it is.

Look Colin, this forum has turned into a slanging match. Why do you have more rights to free speech than I do? Is it what you've attained in life, on your own accounts by your efforts, but realistically probably a combination of your own efforts, the attitudes of people you deal with and being in the right places at the right time. At times the attitudes of other people are unchangeable, witness the constant attacks upon myself.

There are many in the world who've worked so hard but found very little reward in it. They've often done the best their particular situation allowed. People are not machines. Human behavior and relationships are far more complex.

Col - gotta admire your attitude!

You are such a tower of strength. The rest of us mere mortals can only dash ourselves on your foundation of rugged individualism.

Hopefully our children will be as strong and resilient as you - never ever needing anyone.

Never needing a shoulder to cry on.

Never needing a touch or caress - that would be weak.

Never needing to be human.

Long live the automaton!

:-P

Trannie – “Prove it.”

I don’t need to prove anything. But if you feel challenged by what I say – counter it – or would that place you in a position of having to face the truth about yourself?

“Col” is not short for “Colin”

“Right to Free Speech” I have never suggested I have any more right of expression than you and not even claimed my “lifestyle” is better than yours – just different (individual) –
So where is that coming from – perhaps picking up on Fiona’s pernicious introduction of “Fascism” into the debate.

As for “but realistically probably a combination of your own efforts. the attitudes of people you deal with and being in the right places at the right time.”

Suggested reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People”

“Understanding other people” is the first step to building successful relationships and from your admitted alienation with your own family – It would be a good place for you to start.

As for “At times the attitudes of other people are unchangeable, witness the constant attacks upon myself”

Oh Pity, Pity - Read the diverse responses to my posts – if you think you are getting “attacked”, the reality is you are not - that is just you pretending to make the sound of a 747 landing – ( ie a huge amount of whining) – narcissistic style.

Your last paragraph is simple rejection of the fact that “what might be”: with the lame excuses for what mediocrity will bring you or anyone else – you are “No Different” – except possibly below average imagination.

Yeah Scout – Sarcasm – the lowest form of wit. Keep practicing and you might even aspire to doing it well.

As for “attitude”, I decide what mine will be and if that “offends” you well – ain’t that just too bad.

If it encourages you to aspire to “the lowest form of wit” then maybe a more rugged stance by me will encourage you to levels beyond the bottom rung (which itself seems to be almost beyond your grasp)

Its all easy to say when, by whatever means you claim, have all or much of what you want in life.

I live week to week. Its all survival. It feels already like my family are dead and gone, though they're much alive, that's the way it is. Well they don't live in my mind as family, they've never since I set myself out on that road shown me any acceptance, unconditional love or acts of kindness or sacrifice. Yes I am cynical alright. AFter being cast out of a family for what I am, well what do you expect--me to be happy and smiling about it.

As to Cols diatribe about us being all individuals and responsible only for ourselves and no-one else, well that's why exactly our society is heading the way it is because of all that arrogance, selfishness and greed no-one gives a damn about anything except themselves. We just don't care about anything except having the latest car, latest electronics, investment portfolios or whatever. People are forgetting what is a community and what is a society, except if they're in a middle or higher class and demanding the hard work or subservience of the lower classes.

Imagine if EVERYONE in the world (well, everyone in the "first world") was just like Col Rouge!

At meantime Col Rouge and likes got all the picks Australia is heralded round the globe of to offer, travel on public expense round a globe and give a s…t to the rest among whom non-Anglo-Celts not being even worth to be mentioned in this discussion.

So, who is who? Whose hand is the last

Trannie
“I live week to week. Its all survival.” bring out the tissues.

“because of all that arrogance, selfishness and greed no-one gives a damn about anything except themselves.”

Now, what would you call the intention to undergo an elective sex change operation and thus, utlise scarce medical resources: selfish or greedy and then whine on about what is your “Entitled to expect” – that is arrogance in its purest form.

Trannie add “hypocrite” to the list if you want to describe yourself in your posts.

Fiona more like me: the world would be a hell of a lot better than the one with pathetic apologists like you in it.

Michaelk ah the "anglo-celt" thing. Well, it is the second time you have brought that up.
I guess it is a convenient excuse for you to blame all your shortcomings on –

Oh tt is not because Michaelk is too short / too tall / underweight / overweight / unfit / unqualified / incompetent / socially inept / untrustworthy / unco-operative / does not present well!

It is because he is not “Anglo – Celt”

What a great excuse for all the failures of your life.

Michaelk you must have discovered for yourself, “Invertebrates” are discriminated against too.

Well you 3 inexcusable examples supposedly of “people”.

Life is not handed to any one on a plate.

If you want to succeed at anything you have to work at it and persevere.
It will always be easier to blame the world for being unfair to us.

The only material differences between you 3 and I is –

1 I do not blame others as an excuses for deficiencies in myself.
2 I accept the challenges life places before me.
3 I do not blame anyone else for what I do not achieve – otherwise I would blame

the “social Elite” into which Trannie was born or
the “non-anglo-celtic community” from where Michaelk hails or
the twisted–sisterhood which Fiona seems to be manifest of.

Trannie, unlike you, I “deal” with “these constant attacks upon myself”.

Col,

"Where do you go to my lovely?
when you're alone in your bed?
tell me the thoughts that surround you;
I want to look inside your heeeaaadd............"

Sound of scream abruptly cut off - an infinity into silence.......

Now, what would you call the intention to undergo an elective sex change operation and thus, utlise scarce medical resources: selfish or greedy and then whine on about what is your “Entitled to expect” – that is arrogance in its purest form.

I would call selfish being near the end and having thousands and thousands of public health dollars spend just to delay the inevitable. It happens all the time, we as a society spend many millions just delaying the inevitable in the case of people beyond a certain age......

No the government does not pay for my necessary medical treatment, which unfortunately places me in a lesser position in the order of things. Why would it paying cause a crisis in the system, there aren't that many of us are there? Why give a s... about a system that won't pony up for your medical treatment and force anybody into a perilous [some would call it that] nocturnal lifestyle to raise the funds. What about the normal living expenses and needs one has to forego in order to build up funds in excess of $10,000 and I believe all associated sundry expenses and treatment to approach the cost of another $10,000. Many people out there through their lifestyle have heart attack, require coronary artery bypass and other expensive surgery--wonder why no-one is critical of their need for medical treatment.

I don't believe CR could stand a world in which eveyone was just like him (see my last post). It would make him merely AVERAGE, when he obviously see himself as being BETTER than everyone with whom he disagrees. Col, I haven't time to read all your posts (all 458 of them since last December, for gorsake) but the last ones on this page do, if nothing else, illustrate how important being hateful to others is to you.

It's all a bit sad really. Be a people-hating obsessive by all means, but spend some time away from the hours you spend feeding your relationship with this website. Get to know different kinds of people. You might find yourself with friends. It's better to really know about people, than to just assume and condemn on some thoughtless, glib basis. (Yes this is what I posted earlier to Hannibal; you seem to have a bit in common - sorry Hannibal).

And lighten up. I doubt you are being taken at all seriously in this forum, and no more seriously than I am. Maybe even less so..... (oh now that's just being naughty!)

I had on Australian internet forums' pages repeatedly been accused of being racist for using a term “Anglo-Saxon”. It was understood from an Australian press that an “Anglo-Celts” sounded more suitable.
Therefore, no forgiveness for a mishmash in definitions is asked for.

Col.Rouge:

“The only material differences between you 3 and I is –
1 I do not blame others as an excuses for deficiencies in myself.
2 I accept the challenges life places before me.
3 I do not blame anyone else for what I do not achieve – otherwise I would blame the “social Elite” ...or the “non-anglo-celtic community” ...or the twisted–sisterhood ... .”

Me:
1 I do not blame others as an excuses for deficiencies in myself but I easily see obstacles the crown-linked Britain-originating Elite creates to outsiders
2 I accept the challenges life places before me but I am neither blind nor deaf and OPEN for reading, listening and comprehending the comments in media and Internet on modern Australian legislation and changes impost to have a majority blind, deaf and –sorry, I've found and missed a Webster’s rarely-used in modern papers word for a good lackey, handy and invisible for his feudal masters
3 I do not blame anyone else for what I do not achieve in a case of my personal inability to be an Olympic Games champion, for instance – otherwise, in a field where I am a proven professional, able and capable to distinct personal abilities with artificial socially impost on too many in Australia incapability to achieve nothing but sustain a pool of reserve chip laborers /volunteers, I have to blame <the “social Elite” ...or the “non-anglo-celtic community” ...or the twisted–sisterhood ...>.

And a significant segment to be blamed for having cheekily been omitted by Col. Rouge is one where he belongs to, one exisitng to spread a tales of Australian equal opportunities and prosperities based in reality very much on foreign loans and credits of which both perks and percents go back to the social Elite locally and in the UK.

Any difference?

Trannie “I would call selfish being near the end and having thousands and thousands of public health dollars spend just to delay the inevitable.”

Sure – stop deducting medicare from me and reduce my taxes for withdraw of health services – the money I will save I will use to buy private health insurance.

Fiona “I don't believe CR could stand a world in which everyone was just like him”

I would enjoy the world where everyone was proud to be “individual” and respected that “individuality” in others but obviously such a notion is beyond your comprehension.

As for “Be a people-hating obsessive by all means, but spend some time away from the hours you spend feeding your relationship with this website.:

Nothing I have written has been “people-hating”. Indeed, I have acknowledged Trannies “sexual orientation” differences to my own without turning it into a stick with which to beat him or making it the object of derision in any attempt to humiliate him.

My “relationship” with this website is none of your business. I suggest you “butt” out and I will not pursue comments regarding the efforts of inadequate control freaks to monitor and regulate the actions of others.

Finally, “lighten up”. I post to “indulge” myself. The way you or anyone else interprets my posts is entirely your own business.

Thinking that I care about what you think of me is the first mistake of those who take themselves too serious and suffer "self-importanance".
Sorry to disappoint you, from your posts, you come across as someone who is vain, envious, small minded and with no imagination (hence your inability to comprehend or express “individuality”). Me responding at all is to give you more merit than you are worth.

Col, I am shattered that you say you do not care what I think of me, that I (unlike the self-abegnating, exquisitely modest you) suffer self-importance, vanity and envy, a small mind and without imagination..... I thought I was worth a modicum of respect, but I was wrong and you are right. God help me, I should kill myself right now.

Perhaps I will. Yes. It's a good idea. I have admired your input Col, for the powerful intelligence it exhibits. Overwhelmed by your sophistication and frank understanding of and about all peoples. I thank you. But I am now spent. Call this my last post. I won't be back.

Fiona you'll be much missed around here. Well I'm sure your wisdom and compassion may be found in other posts. As for what people go on [negatively] about bleeding hearts I'd rather a "bleeding heart" than a heart of stone anyday. I regret the mudslinging of certain contributors and have been on the receiving end myself.

A realistic voice of moderation and compassion you are. I hold little back in my posts, I believe somewhere I even said I fancy some several illicit substances I shall not name. Although some matters will always be not for publication.

MichaelK

I note your responses to my 3 points

You include the following phrases in each one as some form of justification, I assume, for your attitude -

1 “the crown-linked Britain-originating Elite creates to outsiders”.
2 “a good lackey, handy and invisible for his feudal masters”
3 “I do not achieve in a case of my personal inability to be an Olympic Games champion,”

What a load of self-pitying swill!

You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of Sydney Harbour and an inferiority complex so deeply entrenched as to be crippling.

Get this, You are an individual, like me. You might even be an immigrant, and maybe even the son of a railway worker, like me.

The Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Celtic majority are not out to get you or keep you down because of your “ethnic origin”, that is just your own convenient excuse for your own shortcomings.

As for your last paragraph, - have your own pity-fest. Revel in it, think how badly you have been supposedly discriminated against, for whatever reason but remember this –

1/3 of Australia’s millionaires are first generation immigrants. If the Anglo-whoever Elite were as omnipotent as you claim – that 1/3 would not exist.
Now that tends to pop the delusions which you have been using to justify your own failure.

Fiona – who cares - not me for sure! Oh even your attempts as “sarcasm” are instantaneously discardable. Try “sardonic irony” in future, although it will present a greater challenge to the lowest form of wit which you presently execute with mediocrity.

Oh Trannie – don’t apologise on my behalf, I make no excuses for your self-pitying and self-centred diatribes and need no condolences for me or my words to be uttered by you

<...My “relationship” with this website is none of your business. ...>

Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 3:24:04 PM

It is none of any business surely as far as one is not paid for particular Internet activities – at least spreading propaganda mentioned already.

<MichaelK

…..
What a load of self-pitying swill! ....

You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of Sydney Harbour and an inferiority complex so deeply entrenched as to be crippling.

The Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Celtic majority are not out to get you or keep you down because of your “ethnic origin”, that is just your own convenient excuse for your own shortcomings. ...>
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 9:06:11 AM

I try to believe, especially, reading Sydney-riot–related news.

<Get this, You are an individual, like me. You might even be an immigrant, and maybe even the son of a railway worker, like me.>
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 9:06:11 AM

You are unconditionally sure that the Labour will reign if a son of a railway worker to rule..

Col Rouge (and unlike inner-Sydney-based … whom you dismiss with your usual intemperate lack of flair, I'm well aware your chosen name's not Colin). My French is quite good enough to allow me to suggest another alias which might be more your style. I recommend "connard". Look it up in either Harrap or Larousse French slang dictionaries. Oh, just to enlighten those who hadn't been interested enough to wonder about it, Col's preferred appellation is a rather tedious literal translation of "red neck". A more accurate translation would be "pequenot".

Neck, has it occurred to you that if you and your alarmingly common kind were able to opt out of Medicare, your private health insurance fees would skyrocket? Nah, didn't think it had. Cause and effect – such a pain in the bum for ideologues.

Michaelk apart from quoting parts of my posts in your last post
you have said absolutely nothing and propelled the debate no where.

So to elevate debate once again I will offer rhyme.

Michaelk, do you plan to no avail,
In everything you attempt (and fail).
Maybe limericks would be more your line
You could write the ridiculous and asinine
However, I think you lack the skill
To contribute anything but - swill.

Veryself, thanks for the French lesson. I always detested the subject at school and am happy to defer to your obvious preoccupation with grandstanding.

As it is, I am quite happy with “Col Rouge”. It has a ring to it which would be lost if translated into “Gaelic obtuse”.

As for “Cause and effect, such a pain in the bum for ideologues.”

I recall, when I arrived in Australia, Medicare did not exist. It was the invented by Hawke and his band of “pain in the bum ideologues”.

Cause was
To burden Australian tax and medicare payers with an inefficient funding model
Enshrine union power into another area of public services ( Bob paying off his “masters”)

Effect was to
Destroy an efficient and productive private medical insurance system which delivered better value for money to service users.

Medicare, the insurance premiums would be higher but the service would be better and the premiums offset by savings in the medicare levies and the value of tax reduced by not paying into state sponsored hospitals and other medical services (which is the most inefficient of service models, totally lacking in accountability or “reward based on performance” with no incentive to improve, through better practice, eg the hallowed and sacrosanct Victorian “nurse to bed ratio”).

Want to bring up any other reasons for nationalisation of what is better left a private service?

The “nationalised best system” has produced a worse user outcomes than a private “user decides” system for one simple reason
Public bureaucracies have no direct or real accountability or need to perform. They are just the obsession of stupid and meddlesome socialists.

With regard to Col Rouge attempts to rhythm his redneck assumptions towards an Australian – “even might be a migrant”:

-He perfectly perverts my posts as he had obviously nothing substantial to reply, but playing English – and it’s a very steady instant approach of him “discussing” in the forum
-He instantly persists on imaginable in his ill brain rather than follows a line of topics
-He simply offends –deliberately and provocatively- participants whose connections do not allow them to posses at least as much as his “network” –read: elite mafia- allows him to share from public coffins.

And what does one nonentity playing the hid under a famous public figure deserve?
Read the papers on preventing the terrorist activities in Australia.

Michaelk
“He perfectly perverts my posts as he had obviously nothing substantial to reply, but playing English”

Now let us see what I “perverted”

Quoted from previous post by michaelk –

1 “It is none of any business surely as far as one is not paid for particular Internet activities – at least spreading propaganda mentioned already.”

2 “You are unconditionally sure that the Labour will reign if a son of a railway worker to rule..”

These sentences are so ill formed and perversions of the rules of English grammar as to render them complete “nonsense”.

What you have written displays a profound ignorance of English and its use. I would, normally, excuse such in anyone for whom English is a second language. However, I will not excuse it in someone who accuses me of “perverting” it.

As for
3 “-He instantly persists on imaginable in his ill brain rather than follows a line of topics”

“ill brain” hardly – that would be at best the pot calling the kettle “black” but in this case is merely a poorly structured insult, presumably from a poorly equipped brain.

Finally
4 “participants whose connections do not allow them to posses at least as much as his “network” –read: elite mafia- allows him to share from public coffins.

And what does one nonentity playing the hid under a famous public figure deserve?.”

…This is just more dysfunctional drivel!

Michaelk – if you want to challenge what I write, feel at liberty to do so but when you do, it is always a good debating strategy to ensure such challenges are lucid and legible.
What you write is so grammatically incomprehensible and of such poor quality as to defeat any persons capacity to interpret what you actually mean.
In short, “written English” is a fabulous media of communication.

Unfortunately, what you have written exists beyond the most generous of definitions for “written English” and equally fails to qualify as "communication".

Last Col Rouge message once again testifies to a racist theories underlying wellbeing of local ”Australian” establishment.

That is a biological interference of those writing and speaking English differently then a particular caste Col Rouge belongs to does.

However, a problem is wider. This is a mentality of a supreme race this gang practically imposts in that part of a British Commonwealth, a mentality of ill-educated if any degree at all, narrow-minded rednecks passing upon generations at a very laugh of the rest of a modern world their PRIVILEGES obtained ages ago too often by, hm hm hm, a p p e a s i n g the overseas sovereigns.

Your intentionally undeveloped by local educators (can they anyway do better?) brain does not allow gauging information provided anyway, Col.Rouge.

Surely, this dark ages bushland irrelevant to third millennium mentality does not allow comprehending more complicated issues among which a predominant number of topics in this forum deliberated.

And Spell Check shows no problems with MY English at all

Michaelk, there is nothing “racist” in my post at all. Some English born people exercise as equally poor use of English as you do. However, they have the manners and good sense not to parade their ignorance here.

Much of the rest of your drivel is in the same asinine and small-minded manner of the intellectually under-equipped criticising there betters (in the context of English Language appreciation), who can write English with a degree of fluency. I am absolutely certain if I were to attempt to write in your first language, I would be as bad at it as you are in English.
However, the official language of Australians and this website is “English”, regardless of how inferior your use of it is.

There is nothing “racist” in being able to construct English sentences and use English grammar correctly. I would further note, “spell check” does not validate “grammar” or syntax.

So, if you do not want me to "get critical", I would suggest you stop preparing your feasts of grammatic titbits for me to chew up and spit out.

For instance “Surely, this dark ages bushland irrelevant to third millennium mentality does not allow comprehending more complicated issues among which a predominant number of topics in this forum deliberated.”

I was going to "translate" the above into "English" but this collection of "words" is so senseless, any competent translation would require assumptions to there dubious “reasoning”.

If you think there is anything “racist” in my criticism of your pathetic and blatently inadequate comprehension and juvenile use of “Pidgin English” I suggest you take it to the administrator of this website or to the Equal Opportunity Commissioner but before you do remember this –

Having a more than adequate education, including a reasonably thorough understanding of English grammar, developed from a natives fluency; compared to being blatantly “ignorant” and “stupid”, is not “racist”.

- Although, anyone of average IQ or better, would certainly concede, it is “Superior”.

I am eventually supposed to be grateful for being equalized with “some English born people” who “exercise as equally poor use of English as you do”.

However, my English is good enough for publishing my scientific and socio-political works in Anglo-sphere editions worldwide, Australia inclusively.

“However, they have the manners and good sense not to parade their ignorance here”, which had most recently been demonstrated in Sydney –and every day by local employers and “Australian educators” by intentionally preparing non-Anglo-Celts to be off and instantly keeping non-Anglo-Celts ouside an Australian job market if even any shadow of it still exists in this English colony, where “poor use of English” surely means ideas and creativity of professionals speaking English in various accents.

A rest of a Col. Rouge’s usual racist tautology covered with useless -mates-pay-playing-democracy-EOC mentioning is not worth even a sec of my time to reply.

Michaelk
“instantly keeping non-Anglo-Celts ouside an Australian job market if even any shadow of it still exists in this English colony,”

That is a lie in the first place and as an immigrant could not apply to me in particular – but it is a good, convenient excuse for the failures of your existence.

I would observe, if you want to be part of the Australian community, you need to first accept the historic reality of the founding and settlement of Australia. Then you need to compromise your views to accepting that any Nation has only one official language. That language is the language which laws are enshrined in and in Australia’s case, that is language “English”.
If you are unwilling or unable/incompetent to make such compromise or commitment, then you are miserably and poorly qualified to have been allowed to migrate here and should return from whence you came, avoiding the pain and discomfort this “English colony” inflicts upon you and you upon it. Rest assured your own “racist” attitude will not be missed

"A rest of a Col. Rouge’s usual racist tautology covered with useless -mates-pay-playing-democracy-EOC mentioning is not worth even a sec of my time to reply. "

But you just have done – and it took more than a “sec”!

Michaelk, anyone, even you, can write gobble-de-gook and even get it published. It does not mean the reader is any wiser from trying to comprehend your twaddle.

Now “Racist” here we go, bringing on the small minded drivel again.
There is nothing "racist" in writing lucid, grammatically correct English. However, there is only embarrassment and ignominy for those who do not.
I suggest, following your earlier asinine and fatuous declaration not to respond, you do so relieve us of any response. “No statement” being the wisest you could make.

A post this message follows is a usual tautology of racist rednecks called themselves "Australians".

Scout,Trannie, Fionia,
I have learned my lesson, never argue with idiots, so from today forward I will never again argue with Col Rouge, his Letters to the Editor, are even more arogant and self serving than his posts in this place.

Paronoid people don't evaluate information as the rest of us do, hence they project the inner fear of inferiority complex which they posses. Reason and Logic play no part in the thought cycle, they "must win" at any cost such is the nature of the beast.

Anyone who has and shows emotions, or fellowship to their fellows can not be understood by these people, they see emotions as weakness, where the well adjusted see it as strength.

Please move on and don't feed this poor mans ego any longer, while you respond he will lap it up, in my humble opinion you are beating your head against a brick wall, using reason to argue your point with these undiagnosed paronoids. Obvously something in the past has gone horribly wrong for him, so he has "toughened up" and has a grudge against the world, and all people in it who he sees as inferior to himself. I on the other hand have enjoyed all of your posts, and hope you will continue to input rational and common sense views to this Forum, Regards,Shaun

Right, it is hard and simply stupid to argue with and attempt persuading those who are always right because of their ridiculous birthright impost locally.