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The Forum > Article Comments > Nguyen Tuong Van's death is a wake up call: legalise illicit drugs > Comments

Nguyen Tuong Van's death is a wake up call: legalise illicit drugs : Comments

By Greg Barns, published 5/12/2005

Greg Barns argues zero tolerance of illicit drugs is a policy that is unfair, unworkable and above all, a total failure.

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Speeding should be legalised because many people get a thrill out of driving fast and are being denied their individual rights to buy a suped-up car and go hooning down the highway.

Race car drivers prove that you can safely speed in a car.

Decriminalising speeding will mean many people who lose their licence will not clog up our legal system and end up in jail for repeat offences

Road use should be all about education. Driver training should include training on how to take a corner at 200km/h and all children should have access to a Ferrari so they can learn how to be a speed demon.

If someone kills themselves it is their own stupid fault and if they kill an innocent person in the process - who cares.

t.u.s
Posted by the usual suspect, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 5:38:59 PM
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t.u.s - I think you are onto something (I hope its not drugs).

The war on speeding has failed. Every year hundreds of people are killed by speeding, and many thousands of otherwise law abiding people are criminalised. If the government legalised speeding they could save a fortune on radar guns and police cars and police, and instead spend it on anti-speed advertising and subsidised roll cages.

Now that I think about it, the wars on paedophilia, murder, hand guns etc have also failed so the only worthwhile alternative must be radical reversal of the current prohibitions.
Posted by AndrewM, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 6:43:47 PM
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I really think “the usual suspect” and AndrewM are, in their own peculiar way, on to something.

I like the approach that governments should take as little action as possible in removing liberties from humans.

There are some interesting examples, like the German researcher who had approval to remove every “go slow”, “dangerous bend”, “ beware falling rocks”, “35 kph speed limit”, from a dangerous piece of road, and ending up with less accidents than occurred when the signs were displayed.

It's a nice story anyway.

Take them seriously.
Posted by Stan1, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:59:24 PM
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"If someone kills themselves it is their own stupid fault and if they kill an innocent person in the process - who cares."

The difference is that if it's very hard for someone to kill you by taking heroin. In fact, under a legalised heroin regime, it's very difficult for any innocent person to be accidentally killed by heroin.

That's the whole point, you imbeciles. I could sit here and inject heroin into my eyeballs into my eyes until I die and how will it affect you at all? It won't.

Heroin users aren't hurting anyone except themselves, but the government is hurting all of us by fostering a prohibition regime that increases the power base of organised crime.
Posted by Yobbo, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:52:32 PM
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I think perverting the known world’s Civilizations by using outdated a corrupt ideals of antitheist philosophy and pathological minded, far to antiquated to this argument. Liberalism is:Psychotic attempt to redefine the Metaphysics. Mathematics and logic along with a more responsible realist philosophy and not the opaque simple visionaries version of his conceived, surrealist version of what actually is: Merely coded ethics created to change the psyche of people, Used in the Communist era. “The Great Depression”:ring bells.
Liberalism 's corrupt plan using terms a social justice, and social responsibility.
Economics and money have been corrupted beyond repair by these surrealist Advocates, and a trend now is when these looters and criminals control, we enter the era of The Gun, Murder, and societies Debortuary That Stan 1 is what it has created, not a vision of prosperous National pride and ethics, only a legacy of corrupt valueless society headed to the consciousness of animal instinct for survival. Which many Social depended will not survive. An Irony actually: Remember the movie “ Born Free”. Such is the ethic of liberalism.
“Do you wish to know when the day is coming? Then watch money. Money is a barometer of society’s virtue. When you see trading done, not by consent but by compulsion-when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing- when you see that money is flowing to those that deal, not in goods, but in favors-when you see men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them but protect them against you- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self sacrifice- you may know that your society is doomed.
Money is so noble a medium that it doe’s not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive of half property and half loot”
Posted by All-, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:32:36 AM
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Yobbo “You've got no idea what you're on about mate. Perhaps you should go to the library and do a bit of research before regurgitating from the letters to the editor of the Herald Sun.”

You do not know enough about me or my life experiences to make such assessment. If you want to make a point make it, until them keep your hubris to yourself..

I would recall drug dealing has been illegal, not for ever but for around 100 years. Anyone who thinks legalisation would work needs to “research” the circumstances and reasons it was made illegal in the first place before “regurgitating” the apologist and defeatist “responsibility free view”..

Stan1 “Is “filth” an appropriate term for a 24 year old man who was subjected to state-sanctioned murder last Friday because he was forced by triads to break the law to get his twin brother out of a fix”

So it is the fault of the “triads” maybe it was the fault of his brother for being involved with triads?

Accountability is partly about doing what is “right” and not what is “expedient”.

What was right would have been to go to the police.

What was “expedient” was to become a drug mule for the triad (or any other available excuse for the indolent and spineless)

Now “filth”. Compared to accepting "accountability", instead doing for what is expedient, is the same as suggesting it is OK not to shower (we tend not to smell our self – but everyone else suffers) – and when we do not shower, we end up “filthy”. “Filth” is appropriate for anyone who rejects self "accountability".

The problem for the 24 year old man was, “accountability” caught up with him.

TUS I see you picked up on my “Based on the continued existence of death and injury on Australian roads, one could suggest drink driving and speeding laws are, likewise a failure and likewise there is no point in incarcerating thieves and other criminals because of a high recidivism rate.”

but it still goes over the heads of the “apologists and defeatists”
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 4:38:15 AM
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