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The Forum > Article Comments > Nguyen Tuong Van's death is a wake up call: legalise illicit drugs > Comments

Nguyen Tuong Van's death is a wake up call: legalise illicit drugs : Comments

By Greg Barns, published 5/12/2005

Greg Barns argues zero tolerance of illicit drugs is a policy that is unfair, unworkable and above all, a total failure.

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He got what he deserved. Why everyone is so worried about drug trafficers is unknown to me, but they are doing a job which takes risks like that. They know the risks so they deserve to be punished.

Think of it this way. Eliminate anyone related to drugs and there will be a reduced amount of drug trafficing and more to the point a reduced amount of people being sold. Its a crude way to solve the problem, but sacrifices have to be made to recive gains.

Van is not the only one anyway to be hanged, why everyone is so concerned about one meager person who is guilty who got hanged like many others day to day. This shows why people dont deserve to vote in this country simply because people need to look in the real world and see the bigger picture ie: Other governments laws and princables.
Posted by Hannibal Barca, Saturday, 10 December 2005 9:01:49 AM
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Sneekeepete "my reference to class was founded in your categorisation of people in a very disparaging manner"

Such is your subjective judgement of me.

I do not care -

That you defend drug pedlars and miscreants in the face of the evidence of suffering their trade fosters is enough to reason that you yourself are either an agent of corruption and fallacious reasoning or you are a simpleton.

Either way - your view is not worth a "toss".
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 11 December 2005 4:54:20 PM
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Indeed a great princable, Hannibal:

Eliminate anyone related to _____fill_in_the_blank_____ and there will be a reduced amount of _____whatever_____ ... Its a crude way to solve the problem, but sacrifices have to be made to recive gains.

And should we limit the discussion only to drugs, the first ones to be eliminated should be doctors, nurses, pharmacists, managers and employees of pharmaceutical companies and patients.

Yea, eliminate all sinners and what a cleaner [though empty] world we shall then have!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 11 December 2005 5:01:18 PM
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"War against Drugs" is War against People, targetting the young, the poor , the indigenous, and the counter-culture. Not one dope plant has ever been prosecuted. Not one tab of LSD has been strip searched and abused. Not one unprescribed valium pill has been terrorised on public transport by sniffer dogs. Not one gram of amphetamine has been sentenced to jail. Not one ecstacy tablet has had it's front door kicked in in the middle of the night. Not one cap of smack has been taken away from its children and threatened by a uniformed bully with a gun. Not one vial of methadone stays locked in its house, terrified of being harrassed if they go out, simply because of what they need to do to get through the day.
Posted by stop hitting people, Friday, 16 December 2005 3:01:38 PM
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Stop hitting people.

You have a lovely name.
Posted by Stan1, Saturday, 17 December 2005 12:09:22 AM
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Stop hitting people “"War against Drugs" is War against People,”

That is so.

It is a war against those who would seek to trade and profit from the misery the drugs they supply will ultimately induce in their victims (the users).

I would note

It is not illegal for anyone to “use drugs”.
It is not illegal for someone to overdose on drugs.

The "Laws" do not apply to “users” regardless that might include “the young, the poor , the indigenous, and the counter-culture.”

However, it is illegal to be caught in possession of drugs and to traffick in drugs

"Laws" apply to traders and traffickers regardless the might include “the young, the poor , the indigenous, and the counter-culture.”

The rubbish about “Not one dope plant has ever been prosecuted.” etc is asinine.
“Objects” do not have the cognitive skills to make value based judgements and thus cannot be “prosecuted” for any action they may be involved in.

However, you do make a valid point in one twisted context.

When someone consumes sufficient “dope” to render them the intellectual equivalent of an “object” – should we

1 exempt them from prosecution because of their “self inflicted” reduction in autonomous decision making capability

or

2 just lower them into a trash compactor and throw the switch?

IMHO, believing that the “right to self determination” is the most precious of human rights and drug addicts have flushed their exercise of that “right” down the toilet (by pursuing drug dependency and the irrational drives which “addiction” induces) -

I wholeheartedly support the second option.

As for Stan1 comments – I agree – cute name although “spankie” is shorter.
Posted by Col Rouge, Saturday, 17 December 2005 5:07:51 PM
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