This whole issue should be beyond discussion. The arguments here are pointless. Just look at events in Europe these last two weeks. There should be no more doubts about immigration.

Does Australia need trouble and riots? Can anybody today actually argue for anything but very selective and controlled immigration? I hate to say it, but even if limmited immigration continues (and it should), certain types must be excluded.

Of course I refer to Muslims. It may not be just, but they must pay for the sins of their bothers in France. Letting them in to Australia (or more into Europe) is asking for trouble, more trouble - that is! Until Muslims can show themselves to be as responsible as any other group or minority, they must be rejected. Their fault only!
(Besides, consider it a favor, helping them to be good Muslims. After all, their prophet Mohammed told them not to live among the infidels or take them for friends!)

Tiziana is absolutely right, for both the right and wrong reasons.

Kactuz

I wish it were that easy.

We cant stop anyone from coming in, most muslims make a valid contribution to society, many moreso than others as they exclude Alcohol and drugs which is a massive social problem in Australia.

I agree, those that feel that they are superior to the other peoples and religions, and those that act to destroy multiculturalism should feel the wrath. But we cannot expect to rule a line in the sand and say muslims this country, non muslims this country, as imagine the fear and propoganda that both parties would feel for eachother. It would end up creating generations at war and we would loose that exposure to eachother which is key to avoiding problems and race hatred.

The answer lies in the dept of immigration.

Integrate them to Australian society by all immigrants being subject to a 3 year review period to ensure they are making the most of the opprtunity in Australia, along with appointing a new arrival officer to personally handle and oversee each arrival. We would need one officer per 500 immigrants, the benefits would far outweigh the cost and by monitoring the progress and successful entering of Australian society, we can adequately control this problem. Especially if we assist with housing and employment and avoid creating clusters of immigrants not used to Australian society.

The brains trust in Canberra though will continue to use current ineffective processes and we will have no choice but to become fragmented as a society and as a culture, eg America and the class base society.

Arjay scribbled : "Now correct me if I'm wrong...blah blah blah..

Yes you are incorrect on all counts but I don't have the time or space here to re-educate you and your comic book perspectives on white Australian history, Aboriginal anthropology, geography, let alone the troglodyte philosophies that underpin them.
Ask me again once after you’ve done some comprehensive studies in this area. I don’t thinks it’s fair that I should be asked to indulge your stoic adherence to blissful ignorance.

The answer to the Muslim question is going to have to come from the Muslim population themselves. Life will become increasingly difficult for them anywhere in the Western world, unless they realise that they have to help get rid of the extremists in their midst and send them back to the Saudi desert or wherever. Tolerance is the basis of our secular democracies and we have no choice but to be intolerant of the intolerant.

Both Christianity and Islam are proselytising religions which often used violence to spread their holy words and books. Luckily the protestants changed things and not too many take the old bible literally seriously these days.Luckily for us, the Catholic Church also lost most of its powers too.

That has yet to happen within Islam, they still have no right to freely say what they think about their religion. They still need to have their internal revolution. If they don't, life will become increasingly more difficult for them, even within Muslim countries, as they squabble over the various interpretations and the clerics enforce their power on those populations.

Kactuz.. some well made points.

Realist. I would be a bit stronger in legislation than you...

Your welcome to read how the 'radicals' (rather large numbers of them)
are treating Chrisians in Malaku Islands of Indonesia:

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2001/5_14/pages/indonesian.html

Excerpt:
That is the testimony of Christina Sagat, a 32-year-old Christian from Kasiui, Indonesia, who endured genital mutilation by her Muslim neighbors and forced conversion to Islam. .... (see link)

The hotheads/radicals/extremists on either side will cause untold suffering.

But I'd prefer to speak of spiritual renewal in Christ for Australia as the solution to complex social problems.

As I was reading about how the Muslims of Indonesia, dragged Christians old and young to mosques to circumcize all from little girls and old men, with razor blades, and to pray Islamic prayers, I was reminded of another who did similar...His confession is below:

<<<9"I too was convinced that I ought to do all that was possible to oppose the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10And that is just what I did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them. 11Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. In my obsession against them, I even went to foreign cities to persecute them..>>

If that was the end, how miserable our world would be today, but then we read:

12"On one of these journeys I was going to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests. 13About noon, O king, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me and my companions. 14We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic,[a] 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?

We know the rest. (I guess) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=26&version=31

I have absolute faith in God, to change lives, including the lives of those persecuting Christians in Indonesia.

Unless Australia is to sink into the mess that European countries are in with their big population of muslims, we must stop the immigration of people who will not assimilate into our society.
France is paying the price now with ,quote,'violence from teenagers, mostly sons of North African and black immigrants who reject teachers and police as part of an oppressive white French majority.'
Pardon me , but are not white French teenagers also subject to the same teachers and police?
Is it simply a coincidence that other parts of France are experiencing the same violence,perhaps the rest of Europe who gave haven to 'asylum seekers' will be swept into the maelstrom as well.
It is hard to see any peace emerging from a clash of cultures for that is what is happening.