Timkins, only been deleted for flaming once, and kinda wearing it like a badge of honour. Your eyeballs would have curled up and died if they'd have let it through. Dr Goebells would have just lurved you. In your next life, I wish you a womb, an ex, a bad boyfriend, faulty contraception, a rather large mortgage, judgemental parents, AND A PANEL.

Hadn't really planned on returning to this meandering thread, but my partner noted a couple of posts from kalweb and Di.

Kalweb, thanks you your well reasoned and supportive response.

Di, now I'm really blushing, in fact I'm sure my LOL (Love Of my Life) is muttering something that is either 'fried liver' or tried living with'. Anyway thanks to the erudite, realistic and reasonable women on this website.

While I'm here, the fundamental reason for reducing abortion is simply that like any surgical procedure there is inherent risk (albeit small). For this reason we need to be sure that sex education starts with children. That young boys be encouraged to respect girls and vice versa (yes Timkins) although my reason for placing the emphasis on young boys is that with their raging hormones often leads them into premature (oops) sexual behaviour with equally immature girls.

As for this thread; star-chambers, 3 strikes you're out, foetal rights over the individual - I don't know how much more off course this thread could go.

Di - for everyone who would force a woman to go to term against their will may they return with a double womb, no contraception and a panel consisting of every pope who ever existed.

Ambo,
Your continuous posting under your name of “Ambo” means that you are portraying yourself as an Ambulance Officer who is on duty. To continue, you must produce your name or Ambulance Officer’s number.

You seem to have a belief that abortion is now the fault of “boys” who are impregnating 20 - 30 yr old women (which is the age group when women have the majority of abortions). This cowardly blaming of “boys” is quite common within feminism, as boys have less ability to defend themselves. For another example of it see http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3682#11598

Your knowledge of abortion seems minimal (particularly for an Ambulance Officer), so I will repeat some issues:-

Contraception:- up to 50% of sexually active women do not use contraception themselves or rely totally upon the male condom. This is despite the considerable range of inexpensive contraception now available to them (and use of the female condom by women is basically zero).

Abstinence:- Women’s media heavily promotes promiscuity, with no real opposition from the women’s movement.

Sterilization :- Rates of female sterilization are much lower in this country than in others, and 5 times lower than the rates of male sterilization

Adoption:- Basically minimal in this country, and some of the reasons why women would rather kill the child than adopt it out can be read at http://www.abortiontv.com/Choices/otherways.htm .These reasons can be summed up by “I would rather kill you than wave goodbye”. So the mother kills the child for selfish reasons, rather than adopting it out and having it brought it up by other parents.

Most of these issues could be sorted out during counselling, particularly if the mother wants her third abortion. If the situation in Australia is similar to New Zealand, then only 10% of women who have abortions get to 3 abortions, so there would have to be concern that there is some problem, and that is another reason why counselling, a review panel and associated psychiatrists should become involved at that stage, similar to the panels that become involved if the mother wants a 20 wk + abortion.

Pt 2
>Your last paragraph does not merit reading – certainly I will not dignify it with direct response.

Yes it would need you to actually think things through and use rational arguments.

>Your later post “credibility / fairness” A complete and utter red-herring – accompanied by more judgemental and ignorant pronouncements.

If you didn’t have ad hom’s attacks and mantras you’d have nothing to say.

>The embryo and the mother are in an “unfair relationship”. Mother is an independent individual and the embryo is not. Your emotive claim to pro-choice “ignoring fairness” is deranged garbage blah blah blah.

Unfair? She with another consenting party put herself in that situation.
Deranged? Well one certainly might not agree with Singers stance but he does use considered logical argumentation. Borrowing the concept for the abortion debate doesn’t change that, and shows you aren’t capable of higher forms of reasoning.

>I am not flaming -…., the moderator would intercede

Flaming -An online argument that becomes nasty or derisive, where insulting a party to the discussion takes precedence over the objective merits of one side or another.

This forum is relatively heat tolerant I’ve seen plenty of threads full of nasty derisive posts let through, strictly speaking this thread is now just flaming.

Also I’d have nothing to fear from any of your flames, flames from bigots like yourself are empty of force and authority. You lacked in substance in this debate and any flame would instead just be a whole lot of hot air. Apart from Duec and Reason the rest have been nothing but a Pro-life cheer squad, there has been no debate. If Col R is the best they have to offer it is poor picking indeed.

I put forward arguments which others even though disagreed afforded them consideration, all you can do is resort insults and derision.

BTW if you had noticed the US and Aus is turning more conservative so don’t be to smug, but I’ll let you have the last say since you like to shrill so much. But I wont bother reading it :)

Neohuman “I put forward arguments which others even though disagreed afforded them consideration, all you can do is resort insults and derision.”

You pitch ‘em and I hit ‘em back to you as I saw fit.

“but I’ll let you have the last say.... but I wont bother reading it”

Scurry away back to the dark comfort of obscurity and the makeup your wannabe dictates and commands for all those individuals who will continue to ignore your very existence.

I thought you probably lacked the stamina. You will not be missed, whatever your name was.

Ambo, always prepared to support a rational, emphatic point of view and would be very happy to be in a major crisis and look up and see you as the ambo. Would hate to think what line of work the Big t is in. Must have something to do with rather short hours going by the time he puts into his posts, as he surely wouldn't be wasting the boss' time. Sorry! did i say something personal and abusive about what line of work we are in.

Col Rouge, you are at your most articulate best. Keep whipping the cat!

From Di, the insurance agent (and other hats - some of which I get paid for and some I just wear)