Roger that. So you won't talk to me no more? Gee, the only audience you ever got to spout your Alabaman ideas is dwindling. You're in your fourteenth minute of your fifteen minutes. Hope you enjoyed them.

REDNECK......

for the record, I am a conservative Christian, who believes in Creation. I realize now from your posts, that you are kind of on the other end of the spectrum, (just an observation).

But in your defense, TO ALL... I have to stand up for Redneck who by and large has been making simple verifiable observations about human behavior. I don't see any 'celebration' in his posts, more of a "thats how it is, lets make the best of it and move on".

Katsuhiro-san.
Quite the philosopher :)
People:==>
1274 Kublai Khan attempts to invade Japan
1854 Commodore Perry of the USA 'morally invades' Japan forcing them to open up. (trade/resources issue)
1905 Japanese oppress Koreans, take ALL their trees denuding the hills.
1937 Japanese Invade China, extends empire in Pacific.
etc etc etc

It is indefensible to suggest that different racial/ethnic groups will suddenly forget their origins, allegiances, access to resources simply because some PC yobbo in 'pretty safe and peaceful Aussie' tells them they 'should'.

All our wars to now, have been fundamentally about RESOURCES, not race. Race, is usually tied up intimately with resources, so its easy to confuse the two.

All you people crying out "Crucify Redneck, release for us Barabbas" should stop trying to complicate a pretty basic issue, understand it, and seek simply to be the best people we can be, and relate well to others of all races.

Another Axiom of human relations, is that the 'racism' (as Redneck rightly points out) will usually NOT surface until there is a SHORTAGE of resources. Then, surivival mode kicks on, and blood IS thicker than political correctness.

Still, for me, the various political/socio economic background of Jesus disciples. (Simon the INSURGENT and Matthew the TAX COLLECTOR) should say something about where we should be looking for solutions to human conflict

Valian Years of Trees:
- 1362: Galadriel is born in Valinor
- 1500: Galadriel leaves Valinor for Middle Earth

First Age:
- 528: Elrond is born
- 590: End of the First Age

Second Age:
- @1590: The three Elven Rings are forged.
- @1600: Sauron forges the One Ring in secret.
- @3150: Elendil is born.
- 3209: Isildur is born.
- 3430: Last Alliance of Elves and Men is formed
- 3441: Sauron is defeated, but Gil-galad and Elendil perish; End of the Second Age

Third Age:
- 2: Isildur is betrayed by the One Ring and killed at Gladden Fields.
- 241: Arwen is born.
- @1000: The Istari (Gandalf and Saruman) appear in Middle Earth.
- 1981: The Dwarves abandon Moria.
- 2463: Sméagol kills Déagol and claims the One Ring, which Déagol had found.
- 2470: Sméagol hides under the Misty Mountains.
- 2879: Gimli is born.
- 2890: Bilbo is born.
- 2930: Denethor is born.
- 2931: Aragorn is born.
- 2941: Bilbo sets out with Gandalf and the Dwarves on his adventure. He finds the Ring.
- 2948: Théoden is born.
- 2968: Frodo is born.
- 2978: Boromir is born.
- 2982: Merry is born.
- 2983: Faramir is born.
- 2984: Denethor becomes Steward of Gondor.
- 2989: Balin renews the Dwarven colony in Moria.
- 2990: Pippin is born.
- 2991: Éomer is born.
- 2994: Balin is killed and the Dwarven colony in Moria is wiped out.
- 2995: Eowyn is born.
- 3019: Frodo's quest and the War of the Ring
- 3021: Bilbo, Frodo, Elrond, Galadriel and Gandalf sail into the West; End of the Third Age

Fourth Age:
- 63: Éomer dies.
- 80: Faramir dies.
- 120: Aragorn dies. Gimli and Legolas sail into the West.

It is indefensible to suggest that different racial/ethnic groups will suddenly forget their origins, allegiances, access to resources simply because some PC yobbo in 'pretty safe and peaceful Aussie' tells them they 'should'.
• Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, July 18, 2005 10:16:01 AM

There's an irony in this statement by BD that is remarkable. And that is this.

This could well be a statement that could be made by a non western person about Australians, Americans etcetera in their country. (I use Australians and Americans as a synonym for 'white people' as it appears to be the accepted and recurring use in context here).

But as BD argues, this is about resources, not race. This begs the question, when is it about race and racism?

This is a question I’ve asked Christians when they speak of this “multicultural nirvana” in heaven that awaits us all [if we repent] but are complacently blind to racism right here, right now in the ‘real world’.

The other Boazian claim is this pearl.

• Another Axiom of human relations, is that the 'racism' (as Redneck rightly points out) will usually NOT surface until there is a SHORTAGE of resources. Then, surivival mode kicks on, and blood IS thicker than political correctness.

This does not explain that wanton slaughter of many natives people in colonial history in circumstances where their population did not present a danger to the invaders AND where resources had been secured. Read some Tasmanian history. So what made them kill, slaughter, murder, genocide?

The irony is that many of you, while attempting to transcend racialised explanations of difference and domination, actually descend into an economic, geographical and biological determinism that comprises the very bedrock of racism and racial thought. (through the back door) But guess what, I see you all.

And because I am not one of you, I could not possibly be right, now could I?

Wow, it looks like Rainier does not want to talk to me now, and Garra is off with the fairies.

Dear Rainier

I always find your posts really interesting. You always provide me with other ways of thinking about issues.

Back in 1996 I was privileged to write for and teach people of Aboriginal and Islander heritage. In the end, I am certain that they taught me far more than I taught them.

And to Davo - I have taught heaps and heaps of students at universities who did not complete high school studies. That means nothing. Mature age entry learning is wonderful - you should try it! I have taught in four universities across the Eastern Coast. I enjoyed with a passion, teaching mature age learners. Mature age learners bring to tertiary education their knowledge and skills from the "university of life".

Cheers
Kay