>If they were to quote from Dr Flood’s list of highly generalised and stereotypical anti-male slogans, (eg “A male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic who never owned a car”) they would probably be regarded as being “responsible”.

True, these slogans are generalising. In collecting them and making them available on the XYonline website, I hardly intend them to be interpreted as accurate accounts of men, or women for that matter.

To see what I do consider to be a fair perspective on men, see e.g.;
http://www.xyonline.net/misc/pffaq.html
http://www.xyonline.net/3princip.shtml

Best wishes,

michael flood.

Timkins, you say it all in that you want it to be all of us saying men are trash and women are right. Where's your grey area? In every forum you are pushing a barrow whose wheels inevitably fall off. It's not about who's more right or wrong as a gender. It's about us making up society and changing things. Keep quoting your stats but they will never prove that the main perpetrators of DV and abuse are men no matter how much you tweak them. That is a fact as well as anecdotally. You seem to think that all women writing on this forum are male bashing and there is no common ground. YOu have a chip on your shoulder as big as Texas. I'll bet you never go near a forum where you can't weave the male vs female thing into it. And no more references please about how many percentages of how many blahs equals family court decisions.

Michael Flood
“I hardly intend them to be interpreted as accurate accounts of men, or women for that matter.”

However you have not substantiated why you have such slogans for “banners and graffiti” on your web-site.

Gynecologists would have much objection to your first slogan under the heading of “Funny/interesting sayings by women”, but to look at the next statement:- “A man's got to do what a man's got to do. A woman must do what he can't.”

No substantiation or elaboration of this statement, and such statements regards men are highly typical of many statements being made about men in the media, within feminism, and within much of Social Science, although such unsubstantiated statements do little but alienate and create divisions between the genders.

Many journalists will make such statements in an endeavor to sell more copies of their newspapers and magazines, and much of this was exposed by persons such as Myrna Blyth. http://www.myrnablyth.com/pages/1/

Many people in Social Science and feminism have also made such statements in an endeavor to demonize the male gender, and portray men as being incompetent and in need of much reform, (and probably get more from the tax payer’s pocket also). Much of this was exposed by people such as Christine Stolba. http://www.educationreview.homestead.com/2002WomensStudies.html

So much written about the male gender is unsubstantiated, stereotyped and generalized, but persons such as yourself have rarely mentioned it in your literature, but seem to want to add to it through such things as your list of sexist, stereotyping anti-male and also anti-heterosexual slogans.

You have also been advocating much to men over many years, so there are two suggested things you can do to be a man:-

-Become a masculinist as well as a feminist.
-Do the experiment of living without anything built, invented or produced by a male (and I can assure you that you will very quickly gain fresh and new perspectives on the male gender by doing this experiment)

I will see the results of the above suggestions by seeing how long your list of sexist stereotyping slogans remains on your web-site.

SShhh! Quiet everyone - no male self reflection that may result in anything negative about men. Why? Timkins is a very sensitive lad.

Ambo
So now I’m “sensitive”. That must goes along with being labelled “misogynist”, “unevolved”, “ignorant”, “anal”, “Virgo”, having “a chip” etc, etc, etc.

A lot that has been written about males, but you find me information about the male gender that is not generalised, stereotyped, anecdotal, myth, half-truths, or just plain “made up”.

You find me the unbiased, tax payer funded Social Scientists who are prepared to give the truth about the male gender, and don’t think in terms of “Behind ever successful male there is a surprised woman” or “I’m straight, but it may just be a passing phase”, or “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”

And while you are at it, you can find me information about the female gender that is not generalised, stereotyped, anecdotal, myth, half-truths, or just plain “made up” also.

Once you have found that information about both genders, then I will reflect on that information.

A doctorate in women’s studies, does not make a man. It provides for a career.

While we can applaud Dr Michael Flood’s efforts in educating young boys against violence, we cannot support his indifference to the plight of men. If Pro-feminism is to be promoted as a credible option for dissatisfied men, it would need to take a more active role in advancing equality of both sexes. Teaching young women about social, gender, and family responsibility would therefore be part of the same package. Women’s studies alone, do not promote engagement in one’s society. Double standards that are so typical in most variants of feminism, do not buy a lot of support in the wider community.

I for one, would support more child care places, and tax deduction for such costs of employment, especially in single-mother households, if a more consistent approach is taken. If men are still expected to be bound by ridiculous child support formulae, then don’t blame us for being indifferent on child care provisions and their wider implications. Why should separated and divorced fathers support two households without any tax system acknowledgement, and when those calculated amounts are based on income rather than costs? Still, basing them on arbitrary, “one figure fits all” costs, would then highlight the fact that men don’t have any say in how their children are raised.

Why are men being forced to support children who are not biologically theirs, simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time (or length of time)?

How about widening reproductive choices for men? How about giving men some abortion rights – if not abortion, then relinquishment … this is not a “women have them, so we want them too” kind of argument. It is about equality – assuming that men are big and ugly enough to take care of themselves, ignores the real pain inflicted on them. It is the kind of pain women have worked hard to extinguish over the last few decades – but only for themselves.