Thankyou Grace for that bit of guidance.
Aslan seemed to give a reasonable defence in his most recent posting....
I did read it and noted some important points.
But as they say, people come here to 'seek validation' of existing views.
The debate between Aslan and gogo was about the accuracy of information/research which sought to expose homosexual behavior and its negative social impact. My debate is 'what does scripture say'.

So.. I better put my head back in the ecclesiastical sand .. my ears are getting cold.

Right on cue, Homo au Go Go!

Thanks for another opportunity to expose the lies and propaganda of gay activists.

Yes, I am relying on Cameron's own defence of his work - as any court of law or tribunal would do. The fact is that Cameron has provided irrefutable documentary evidence showing that he did resign (he was not expelled) and his resignation was accepted by the APA, and that the APA also acknowledged that the disputes between himself and the 6 other members who accused him of misrepresenting their work, had been closed. Furthemore, the specifics of the disputes (and much more) was covered in exchanges between Dr. Cameron and various adversaries from the U. Nebraska between October 1985 and March 1986 in the Nebraska Medical Journal.

Note also that the APA power structures have been dominated by gay activists for years. Indeed, this is precisely why Cameron decided to resign in the first place, because the APA was no longer a forum for serious discussion of the psychological aspects of homosexuality! Cameron's reasons for resigning were published in the APA Monitor (official newsletter of APA) in March 1983.
See http://www.familyresearchinst.org/APA_Monitor-letter.html

Note that Cameron's reasons for resigning are because he believed the APA had become an abortion and gay rights advocacy group instead of serious scientific forum.

The above link also contains an image of the "expulsion" letter which was sent a year after Cameron had already resigned. Note that the reason they stated for dropping Cameron was NOT because he was found guilty of misrepresenting other people's work, but that he refused to abide by the APA's "ethical principles" which prohibited him from discussing sexual orientation as a psychological disorder. In other words, the APA's own correspondence with Paul Cameron is a slam-dunk refutation of all the gay activists lies about Dr Cameron. Basically, the APA is no longer a professional scientific origanisation - they are now political and social policy advocates for gay the rights movement.

As for the ASA, they too made loud public statements about misrepresentation with no substantiation except for certain researchers claiming that their work had been misused. The problem here is that Cameron drew valid conclusions from others research which those researchers did not agree with because they are not politically correct or do not support the gay activists agenda. For example, Sarantakos' concluded in his paper on children in three contexts that children perform best if they have two married heterosexual parents. That is what Sarantakos himself concluded. However, it is also quite valid to conclude that children perform WORST when they have homosexual parents. As a gay sympathiser, this is not what Sarantakos intended, but it is a valid conclusion nonetheless.

I only know a handful homosexual people (5 male homosexuals, 1 lesbian who are different ages and totally unknown to each other as far as I know) but Cameron's research stacks up pretty well against these people: 2 are dead (died in their 30s), one has tried to kill himself on several occasions, one was abused by their former partner, and one was a paedophile.

I don't usually cite Cameron's papers in my submissions - I prefer to cite the work of homosexuals themselves. For example, a recent study conducted by the Alternative Lifestyle Organisation (ALSO) and the Australian Drug Foundation found that homosexuals have a much higher rate of drug usage than does the general population. For example, “65% of gay, lesbian, bisexual and queer men aged 20 to 29 and 36% of women in the same category have used ecstasy. This is compared to 19% of men and 12% of women in the same age group in the national survey.” James McKenzie, “Study finds higher drug use within the community,” Brother Sister, 6 July 2000, 3.

Or how about Ethan E. Bickelhaupt, “Alcoholism and Drug Abuse in Gay and Lesbian Persons: A Review of Incidence Studies” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services 2/1 (1195) 5-14
Kurt A. DeBord and Phillip K.Wood, “The relevance of sexual orientation to substance abuse and psychological distress among college students” Journal of College Student Development 39/2 (1998) 157-168
John L. Martin and Deborah S. Hasin, “Drinking, Alcoholism, and Sexual Behavior in a Cohort of Gay Men” Drugs and Society 5 (1990) 1-2, 49-67
D. Mosbacher, “Alcohol and other drug use in female medical students: a comparison of lesbians and heterosexuals” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Psychotherapy 2/1 (1993) 37-48
Paul M. Roman, “Gay Men, Drinking and Alcoholism” Contemporary Sociology 25/3 (May 1996) 422-423
Christine Flynn Saulnier and Brenda A. Miller, “Drug and alcohol problems: Heterosexual compared to lesbian and bisexual women” Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality 6/3 (1997) 221-231
William F. Skinner and Melanie D. Otis, “Drug and alcohol use among lesbian and gay people in a southern U.S. sample” Journal of Homosexuality 30/3 (1996) 59-92
Ron Stall and James Wiley, “A Comparison of Alcohol and Drug Use Patterns of Homosexual & Heterosexual Men” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 22 (1998)

Even the Sydney Men and Sexual Health (SMASH) report found that 82% of Australian homosexuals sometimes use recreational drugs. An update of the SMASH report found that 21% of those surveyed used amyl at least weekly, 33% used marijuana at least weekly, 16% used heroin, cocaine or speed at least monthly, and 12% injected other drugs. Thus homosexuals and lesbians are at least 3 times more likely to be drug abusers than heterosexuals.

And Paul Cameron is not alone in noting that their homosexuals are overrepresented among paedophile offenders. Drs Freund and Heasman of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 32-34% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases these two doctors had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 paedophiles. Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said that, from his experience, paedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.” Dr. C. H. McGaghy estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.”
See K. Freund, “Pedophilia and heterosexuality vs. homosexuality” Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (1984) 193-200. See also K. Freund and R. I. Watson, “The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study,” Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992) 34-43; A. Blass, Boston Globe August 8, 1988; and C. H. McGaghy, “Child molesting” Sexual Behavior 1 (1971) 16-24.

An English study asked 930 gay men whether they had ever been “sexually molested or raped?” – 28% answered “yes.” In half (47%) of these cases the victim was either forcibly anally penetrated or an attempt to do so was made. Of men over 21 years of age, 52 cases (66% of the total reported) “were assaulted by regular or casual sexual partners.” The authors of this study (who appear to be homosexuals themselves) note that “Fantasies of the sexually forceful man, the pleasure of ‘being taken;’ and the excitement of power driven sex are very common in gay culture and pornography. All these collective sexual fantasies normalize sexual abuse and rape of gay men by gay men, providing motivation, justification, and normalization for the assault. It is difficult to see how a climate of intolerance towards sexual aggression can be achieved when sexual aggression is one of the mainstays of collective sexual fantasies.”
See F. C. Hickson, P. M. Davies, A. Hunt and P. Weatherburn, “Gay men as victims of nonconsensual sex” Archives of Sexual Behavior 23 (1994) 281-294

Or take a look at some of these:
Claire Renzetti, Violent Betrayal: Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships (Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications, Inc., 1992)
Diane Bush, “Violent Betrayal: Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships.” Contemporary Sociology 22/3 (May 1993) 355-356
Vallerie E. Coleman, “Lesbian Battering: The Relationship between Personality and the Perpetration of Violence” Violence and Victims 9/2 (Summer 1994) 139-152
Claire Dandeneau, “Violence in Gay and Lesbian Domestic Partnerships” Sex Roles 36 (Mar 1997) 431-432; Ned.A. Farley, “Survey of Factors Contributing to Gay and Lesbian Domestic Violence” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services 4/1 (1996) 35-42
L. Kevin Hamberger, “Intervention in Gay Male Intimate Violence Requires Coordinated Efforts on Multiple Levels” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services 4/1 (1996) 83-91
Mary P. Koss, “Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence” Journal of Sex Education and Therapy 19/2 (Summer 1993) 148-150
Monica A. Landolt and Donald G. Dutton, “Power and Personality: An Analysis of Gay Male Intimate Abuse” Sex Roles 37 (Sept 1997) 335-359
Lettie L. Lockhart and Barbara W. White, “Letting Out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9/4 (Dec 1994) 469-492
Sotirios Sarantakos, “Violence in Gay and Lesbian Domestic Relationships” Journal of Family Studies 3 (Oct 1997) 258-259
Betsy Stanko, “Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence” British Journal of Criminology 33/3 (Summer 1993) 449-450
Lisa M. Waldner Haugrud and Linda Vaden Gratch, “Victimization and perpetration rates of violence in gay and lesbian relationships: gender issues explored” Violence and Victims 12/2 (1997) 173-184
Wayne F. Winters, “Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence” Violence and Victims 8/1 (Spring 1993) 85-86.

And there is much more as well. In fact, there is so much published material on the negative effects of the gay lifestyle that who needs Paul Cameron!

Homo, simply repeating the same old lies time and time again won't make them become true.

I guess you're using Goebels' method: "If you are going to tell a lie, tell a big lie...and keep repeating it."

Actually, there is quite a lot of similarity between the gay activists' methods and those employed by the NAZIS. Both told bare faced lies with no substantiation and both silenced anyone who opposed them. Note that I am NOT saying that Homosexuals are all NAZIS - just that they have employed the same propaganda tactics in order to achieve their agenda.

As far as lobbying governments go - well we'll just see about that. Let me tell you that the Church in Australia has had a gut-full of the homosexual and radical left's social agenda. The giant is waking and he is not happy. Recall October 9, 2004.

AK

Oh Grace, you just make me laugh!

If you really think that Homo au Go Go has blown my "poor silly butt out of the water with the facts" then that says more about your own grasp of logic, truth, facts and your reading comprehension ability, than it does about the credibility of Paul Cameron or myself.

Keep on posting your drivel, Grace - it just makes you look more and more irrational, and more and mnore sillier.

AK

Stands back and watches Aslan, Grace and homo go at it hard and fast...
go Aslan :)

No thanks Boaz, been there, done that. Aslan is quite capable of making a fool of himself without any help from me.

On Feb 2, ASIAN mentioned NAMBLA's [the North American Man-Boy Love Assn] involvement with the gay and lesbian movement [ILGA - International Lesbian and Gay Association] He provided a mass of back up references. I would like to add a few more.
Homosexual supporters like Kelpie have denied any connection, but I quote the Melbourne Herald-Sun 22/10/93: " United Nations. The United States expressed deep embarrassment yesterday over an unwitting vote giving a group linked with the North American Man Boy Love Association, consultative status at the United Nations.
"The Man Boy Love Association reportedly advocates pedophilia. "Britain and many other nations were among the majority that voted to grant consultative status to the International Lesbian And Gay Association at a July councl meeting in Geneva. "The countries were unaware the gay group counted among its members the North American Man Boy Love Association".

Other proof can be seen in the Lamda Report November 1993, and The Washington Blade, Nov 5, 1993.

How do homosexuals and supporters explain that connection between NAMBLA and the ILGA?

It should also be noted that male homoseuals who comprise less than 2% of the adult male population account for 85% of AIDS cases. [Evidence presented by the Gay Lobby itself at the Industrial Relations Commission in 1994, and backed up by more recent Commonwealth HealthDept. statistics.] Homosexuality is a health hazard, and should never be encouraged or supported in any way.