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Seizing the global momentum for a two-state solution : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 15/8/2025

Palestinians and Israel, with the unwavering support of the US, must seize on the growing international momentum in support of an independent Palestinian state.

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Ignoramus.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 15 August 2025 8:56:16 AM
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It could have been wonderful, if only these so-called "Palestinians" actually wanted a state of their own.

Sadly they don't.
And nobody can force them to have a state.
As a tactic they say they want, but then they will forever provide one excuse after another why it cannot happen as yet.

Israel should therefore not wait for them, but leave the cursed territories it occupies since 1967 unilaterally.

Whatever then happens between the "Palestinians" and the Jewish Messianic settlers within that cauldron, how well they manage between them, or not, would then be nobody else's problem.

And if Israel will not leave on its own, for its own good, then the rest of the world should help it!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 15 August 2025 10:22:49 AM
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Yuyutsu

#… And if Israel will not leave on its own, for its own good, then the rest of the world should help it!…#

An article here from the Leftist mouth piece itself the JP.

http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864165?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Smotrich%20approves%20West%20Bank%20settlement%20plans%20%2A%20Hamas%20mulls%20resuming%20hostage%20talks%20%2A%20Israel%20rejects%20NGOs%20%20claim%20of%20Gaza%20blockade%20%2A%20REPORT%20%7C%20Yemeni%20forces%20bust%20Iranian%20weapons%20shipment%20bound%20for%20Houthis%2C%20including%20chemical%20weapons&utm_campaign=August%2014%2C%202025&vgo_ee=GoFtBmjiQcfQz2P0PUaWUL1ER0d26vPqviH3dfQtV9VN7aDX%2BWqhOpQ%3D%3A4Goqn3jftd6qV0sFwYYuR4bGwkeTnqzs#google_vignette

This move, with tacit US approval given, buries the Two State solution on the ground and without fan-fare.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 15 August 2025 10:42:37 AM
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How stupid are people ! The whole idea of Islam is to take over the whole World ! Doesn't anyone see that there's no room for two ?
Get your heads out of the sand !
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 15 August 2025 10:54:04 AM
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Dear Dan,

Yes, I need no reminders, I am well aware of the latest depressing news from Israel
- yet am I not allowed, at least, to pray?

«This move, with tacit US approval given, buries the Two State solution on the ground and without fan-fare.»

Yet God can revive the dead, and God is far greater than the US!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 15 August 2025 2:58:22 PM
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Wasn't Iran supposed to be building a nuclear bomb or something?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 15 August 2025 8:32:15 PM
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Armchair Critic,
Didn't the Yanks revert the facilities to an earlier stage recently ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 15 August 2025 9:29:01 PM
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Yes but they moved their stockpile of 60% enriched uranium and centrifuges, it only takes a few weeks to bring it up to 80%+
Then they have to make a warhead from Uranium metal with a gun-type trigger, a couple months at best if they're determined.

I think the vast majority of Israelis support the genocide and ethnic cleansing, many of whom take part so dropping a nuke on them would maybe not entirely be undeserved.

They support raping Palestinian prisoners, shooting kids testicles off for sport, assassinating journalists trying to expose their war crimes etc, and murdering and starving women and kids, killing medical professionals.

IDF soldiers deliberately wounding children in Gaza ‘like a game’, says British doctor
http://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/israel-gaza-war-children-british-doctor-video-b2792054.html

>>A British surgeon in Gaza has claimed medical workers are seeing “clear patterns of injury”, suggesting IDF soldiers are deliberately shooting Gazan children in different body parts depending on the day of the week.

Professor Nick Maynard told BBC Radio 4 he and his colleagues have experienced unusually high instances of gunshot victims targeted at aid distribution sites - mainly teenage boys - needing treatment for similar injuries.

“On one day they’ll all be abdominal gunshot wounds, on another they’ll all be head gunshot wounds or neck gunshot wounds, on another they’ll be arm or leg gunshot wounds,” he said.

“It’s almost as if a game is being played, that they’re deciding to shoot the head today, the neck tomorrow, the testicles the day after.”

The IDF have released a statement to the BBC categorically rejecting Professor Maynard’s claims.<<

It's a real shame Iran doesn't actually want to nuke Israel, they just want a deterrent, to stop being targeted by Israel and the West.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 August 2025 7:47:56 AM
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Armchair Critic

#…t's a real shame Iran doesn't actually want to nuke Israel, they just want a deterrent, to stop being targeted by Israel and the West…#

Your a very very sick puppy; go and get some help.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 16 August 2025 1:01:33 PM
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I think the vast majority of Israelis support the genocide and ethnic cleansing,
Armchair Critic,
I'd agree with you if I were Arab & I'd agree with you if I were a Jew but since I'm more concerned about this madness making its way here I have to think that the Middle Easterners have a problem that only the opposing side can solve.
Once idiocy is in the DNA I'll leave it up to you to give it a thought as to what the only solution can be.
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 16 August 2025 5:44:24 PM
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Hi diver dan
Sick puppy? Go check the mirror.
I'm just exercising my right to an opinion, so what?
- I'm not doing any of those things mentioned that Israel is doing.
I don't see you criticising the crimes Israel is committing what does that say about who you are, as a caring decent human being?

You defend a whole nation full of actual real sick puppies.
- It's fun getting you hypocrites stirred up don't ya know, can't help yourselves can you?

Still waiting on your detailed explanation over on this other thread.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=23594
You have no ethics or principles and you can't even defend your own positions on merit, so your opinions aren't worth much.

You act like my words, merely letters of the alphabet arranged together on a - are somehow more harmful than what Israel is actually doing, raping people, shooting kids balls off and starving millions, killing journalists and medical workers including doctors.

If Netanyahu was decapitating babies on live TV, you'd look the other way, truth is that man couldn't keep up with the executions if he was doing his own bidding himself.

Why do you support a nation that takes joy in murdering innocent people?
Please tell us.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 August 2025 6:10:37 PM
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Hi Indy,
I'm not sure there's a cure for idiocy.
Personally I'd rather we took all the non Muslims who themselves don't wish to live in their own countries because they've been taken over by Muslims, but no-one thought of that.

This 'all nations must offer a pledge of loyalty to Israel' business has gotten so out of hand and makes us a vassal state siding with a Muslim genocider, Israel helping to put a target on all non-Muslims heads.

It our politicians and 'democracy' that get them in the door.
And maybe soon rape gangs for western daughters.
Democracy is corrupted, one side always supports Israel, and the other supports transgender toilets and every feelgood retarded issue of the day
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 August 2025 6:21:44 PM
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The article is spot on, but a peaceful solution still seems to be a bridge too far. Unfortunately the evidence of genocide and torture by the Zionist Nazi's is overwhelming. At least 1,000 innocent people have been indiscriminately shot whilst seeking food aid at the so called Israeli-American food distribution centres. Set up to lure innocent people to their deaths.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 17 August 2025 6:07:40 AM
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Dearest pot-head Paul, 14.05klm from Nimbin.

Your delusional.

However, I remain highly impressed with the outcomes of Leftist brainwashing techniques that produce such hatred and vitriol towards a Democracy and its inhabitants, assailed by Islamic terrorism on all sides.
Pity is, the Right can’t emulate these amazing outcomes for their own truthful message.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 17 August 2025 9:59:42 AM
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Dearest Yuyutsu

You’re such a confused little child.

You said: #… Israel should therefore not wait for them, but leave the cursed territories it occupies since 1967 unilaterally...#

I can’t even imagine anyone so stupid agreeing to your proposal: And do we hand back the Golan heights too: And why would you not consider the disastrous outcomes for Israel, following the hand back of Gaza to the Terrorist inspired Palestinians in 2005?

No wonder the NCO’s relegated you to peeling potatoes during your compulsory service in the IDF.

#… - yet am I not allowed, at least, to pray?…#

Yes, you may pray; but to which God do you pray?

There is but one God, and that the God of Abraham and Moses.
That be the common God of Christians, Jews and strangely, the Islamists too, since they are a fifth century Christian cult.

Should I say, be careful what you pray for, is good advice. But you as a Hindu, have no God as such I believe; so do Hindus pray to any God of convention; excuse my ignorance on the subject.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 17 August 2025 11:02:56 AM
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If Israel is committing genocide, they are making a very bad job of it: Gaza's population has increased.

I've just finished reading 'The 7 Deadly Myths', and I know a lot more now about Jewish history than I though I did prior to reading it.

It has made me even more pro-Israel and pro-Zionism.

After two millennia of discrimination and murdering of them in the most horrible ways - by everyone not Jewish, not just Muslims - they are not going to give in now.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 17 August 2025 11:46:33 AM
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Dear Dan,

There is but one God.
There is no place for any other.
While Judaism/Christianity/Islam declare that there is no other God besides, Hinduism takes it a step further, declaring that there is nothing whatsoever but God.
(Jewish Hasidism and Kabbalah, as well as Christian and Sufi mystics also arrived at this conclusion)

Even though science shows that Abraham never existed, there's no problem whatsoever in praying to "the God of Abraham and Moses", name being unimportant as Shri Krishna, God's human incarnation, declared:

"Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form. Endowed with faith, the devotee worships a particular celestial god and obtains the objects of desire. But in reality, I alone arrange these benefits." [Bhagavad-Gita 7:27-28]

«why would you not consider the disastrous outcomes for Israel, following the hand back of Gaza to the Terrorist inspired Palestinians in 2005?»

Israel didn't hand Gaza to Hamas or any other terrorist organisation: Israel left Gaza in 2005 and Hamas took over in 2007.
Netanyahu then came to power in 2009 and started financing Hamas so they could buy the rockets and dig the tunnels under Gaza. There's no way they could have caused these disastrous consequences without Netanyahu's money.

«I can’t even imagine anyone so stupid agreeing to your proposal»

Many wise Israelis want just that, for Israel to leave its occupied territories, starting with the late Prof. Yeshayahu Leibowitz - http://rethinkingforeignpolicy.org/2015/08/03/5183/

«And do we hand back the Golan heights too»

In 1967, Israel's government offered Syria to return the Golan Heights in exchange for peace. Located in a highly strategic position, it was irresponsible to return them while Syria was a hostile military force to reckon with. By now, Syria is a military dwarf, even unable to manage its internal feuds. Now its new regime is pleading Israel for peace. Now is the time.

Israel must do what's good for Israel and leave.

If Israel plays to the "Palestinian" flute, defining itself negatively by its external enemies, then it lost its spirit and all wars.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 17 August 2025 6:03:06 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

"There is but one God. There is no place for any other." That is assuming there is a God in the first place. I don't believe in the existence of a physical God, a supernatural being who dwells in some place in the cosmos called heaven. We have discussed this before, and its my opinion that the existence of a God as such is irrelevant. What is important is ones own being, what dwells within the human sprit. Call what is within you God if you wish.

Buddhist teachings probably offers the best explanation on how we should view god(s);
It tells us to focus on our own individualism, and seek liberation from "suffering" through meditation and mindfulness, rather than concentrating on a external being(s) as our deliver from our own "suffering".
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 18 August 2025 5:08:35 AM
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Dear Paul,

Regarding God I couldn't agree more, thank you!

While Buddhist theoretical teachings are logically/metaphysically flawed, concern about that is hair-splitting: the Buddhist practices work, and that is what matters most (so long as one practices, of course).
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 18 August 2025 7:16:53 AM
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Hi diver dan,
"However, I remain highly impressed with the outcomes of Leftist brainwashing techniques that produce such hatred and vitriol towards a Democracy and its inhabitants"

Israel is not a democracy, it's an terrorist-run apartheid state.
You remember those German NAZI's and their 'master race' beliefs?
- Same thing.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 19 August 2025 8:14:01 AM
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