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An era of vertigo : Comments

By Mamtimin Ala, published 14/1/2025

In short, we gradually find ourselves in a globalising society where many values have been entirely or partly upended, turned inside out, and starkly contrasted to what we once considered commonsensical and reasonable.

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It’d be hard to add to any of that: A society that abandons the minds of their children to adults of evil intent in a concentration camp called schools is doomed.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 11:30:52 AM
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Donald Trump is of course a leading edge vector of this syndrome. How much truth about anything will you find on his Truth Social website or almost everything he rants about.

So too, and even more so is Elon Musk with his now worse-than-horrible X platform. Facebook has now joined this toxifying club too.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 1:03:52 PM
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I think you express some good insights here Mamtimin. Yes, we (western society at least) seem to be in a state of “spiritual vertigo, leaving us confused and disoriented”. I agree too that we are overwhelmed with information.

However, I think that the primary cause of our problems lies elsewhere. Most westerners are now, at least functionally, atheists/materialists. I think it is just dawning on people that if atheism is true, that if this universe has just happened into being for no reason, then our lives are ultimately completely meaningless.

In such a universe, gaining more and more information is pointless, all moral claims have no foundation, and any hope that AI can help is just an illusion.

As the number of people who believe that there is no Creator who has made us for some purpose grows, so too will the sense of existential vertigo grow.
Posted by JP, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 2:42:58 PM
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DD

Your team has lost, and thank God for that, now the downhill rush towards extinction of the West from the Democrats Idiocy, be gone forever, never to return. All praise to the mighty Orange Man, and may the three Gods of Christianity prevail against the forces of evil draped in rainbow flags and other emblematic symbols of the Devil, including also such Jolly Rogers of destruction as the Palestinian and the quasi First Nation symbolic rags associated with Devil worship and injustice against the majority.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 3:06:41 PM
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JP
Tens of millions of dreadfully sane Christian true believers who believe in the presumed creator-god voted for Donald Trump who was sometimes called Orange Jesus.
The creator-god idea is the extension/expression of a childish, even infantile mis-understanding of the nature of Reality.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 4:14:25 PM
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You miss the point Daffy.

Whatever you may think of Trump or believers in a creator god, it remains the case that if the universe just happened unintentionally into being, then our lives are ultimately meaningless.

Equally, all moral claims would lack foundation.

As more people recognise this, it is not surprising that they experience existential vertigo.
Posted by JP, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 5:22:17 PM
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«Defining our era is a monumental challenge.»
«the intricacy, controversy, and even the potential futility of defining anything»

Not just "monumental", but it is entirely IMPOSSIBLE to define anything real.

And there are infinite number of things happening in an era - does anyone seriously attempt to define it in a finite number of words?

«Consider the question, “What is a woman?”... potentially losing the essence of the term.»

A woman is not a term!

Terms are just mental abstractions...
And the essence of mental abstractions is, well, thoughts... or is there something deeper?
The essence of a woman (and of a man too) is, well first try atoms, then protons, neutrons, electrons, etc. which manifest as a woman, or is there something yet deeper?
Yes, we already know (E=mc²) that the essence of all sub-atomic particles, including those that make up a woman, is energy. And is there anything deeper?
How can you define energy?
And how can you define a thought?

Scripture tells those of us who believe it, that the essence of energy is thought,
then the essence of thought, well the essence of the essence of the essence of thoughts and of everything else, ultimately is God - there is nothing else.

Can any of that be defined?
Well of course not.

«What is the zeitgeist of our time?»

That humans living in it are so arrogant that they attempt the impossible and believe they can do it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 6:37:56 PM
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Yuyutsu

Man in two parts and his dilemma :

The human mind (spirit), can best be defined as an overpowering unknowing metaphysical influence translated into a physical interpretation of abstract thought through bodily motion.
The proof of this is easily sourced from our dreaming state which highlights the divorce of the mind from the body, taking us on unbelievable journeys of abstract physical impossibility lacking physical attachment to the laws of natural physics, and thus proving the duel nature of man; man in two parts.

The Bible interprets this in simple form, righteousness and wickedness: God the spirit is righteous, the fallen angels (Devil), are the wicked.

That is the lot of man; tortured by instincts and presided over by metaphysical spirit, where both combine, forming individual personalities leading to philosophical differences with impossible conclusions.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 10:13:59 PM
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Dear Dan,

The Bible does not mention fallen angels.
The source of that idea comes from the book of Enoch, which was not included in the Bible and misinterprets the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6.

The down-to-earth interpretation I studied was that "Sons of God" refers to a high social caste of humans, which called themselves thus as a way of condescension, distinguishing themselves from ordinary people (and their daughters), that's all, nothing too fancy.

In the dreaming state, one is conscious of the contents of their mind (whatever that is, Hindu scripture describes what the mind is made of, but it doesn't really matter for the purpose of this discussion) rather than of the world as presented by one's senses.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 11:13:41 PM
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The author states:
"The inversion of these values is achieved through widespread gaslighting, propaganda and intimidation that goes unchallenged, much like the tale of the emperor who paraded in his invisible clothes, with only a child daring to speak the truth."

The issue we have today is that those who are doing the gaslighting and spreading the propaganda see themselves as the "child" and the naked "emperor" as the scientists and researchers.

They believe they have some secret and magical knowledge that separates and elevates them above above the "sheeple".

That's the inversion I see.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 7:50:12 AM
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JP
The trouble with the naive childish creator-God idea is that it does not take into account the death rules to here. Which is to say that all life forms both human, non-human and plants and trees all eventually begin do decay, disintegrate and die.
It is also based on the childish idea that the creator-God is going to look after them. But does the God as proposed by the creator-God really look after anyone?
Where was such a God during the 2004 Tsunami when more that 100,000 human beings perished. Is the influence of such a God to be found in the daily horror-show called the six-thirty news (Skyhooks).

Most creator-God believers pretend that they have been "saved" from really coming to terms with their inevitable (at any minute) death by believing in the usual nonsense about Jesus. They even naively presume that they are "going to heaven" when they die (if they are good!). And they will be bodily "resurrected' when Jesus comes again.
One wonders which body will be "resurrected". The infirm body as it was when it dies (hopefully in bed) or as it was in the prime of their life at 30 years of age.
They also pretend that when Jesus comes again all the billions of non-believers will burn in hell and that Jesus will herald a new kingdom on planet Earth.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 2:22:08 PM
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JP
Im an athiest and my life is not meaningless.
Lifes what you make it. Its the only one you get.
Posted by mikk, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 4:44:26 PM
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