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Palestinian statehood or setting the stage for the next catastrophic war : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 18/12/2024

Denying the Palestinian right to statehood and conceding further Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza to Israel is a recipe for the next horrific inferno.

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Palestinians have a State, it’s Jordan. Since its war they wish for, go there and wage the eternal Holy war among their own kind.
But it’s not land they really wish for is it.

This author is either totally stupid or a straight out liar and pushing Jihadist propaganda; I’ll take the latter.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 8:07:42 AM
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Denying Palestine statehood. Why do these anti-Israel activists keep denying that statehood has been offered several times, and actually rejected. They must think the rest of us are as stupid as they are.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 8:27:12 AM
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People who are not anti-Semitic/anti-Israel/ignorant know that terrorists/Palestinians/Arabs, whatever, want Israel and Jews wiped of the map. There is no interest in a two state 'solution' that doesn't exist and never will exist.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 9:16:59 AM
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Pity the Suez Canal isn't a little further NE !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 2:55:29 PM
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Dear Alon (the author),

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You wrote :

« Hamas' horrific October 7 attack and Israel's massive retaliatory war have fundamentally changed the dynamic of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Returning to the status quo that existed before October 7 will be impossible. »
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It will, indeed, Alon, because there was no “status quo”, per se, before 7th October 2023.

The Israeli Netanyahu right-wing government had been methodically and illegally colonising Palestinian territory, in complete impunity, constantly fuelling the smouldering embers of fury and revolt of Hamas and the Palestinians for 57 years, since it (Israel) conquered the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967.

It was a determined, evolutive political strategy, aimed at annexation of all Palestine territory and complete domination of the country.

Muslim countries blamed Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories as the root cause of the attack. Hamas said it was in response to the continued Israeli occupation, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the expansion of illegal Israeli settlements, rising Israeli settler violence, and recent escalations.

As a professor of international relations at the Center for Global Affairs at NYU, teaching international negotiations and Middle Eastern studies, you can’t possibly ignore the fact that the British White Paper of June 1922 – the first document that officially clarified the interpretation of the Mandate’s text – explained that the Balfour Declaration does “not contemplate that Palestine as a whole, should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded ‘in Palestine’”.

Furthermore, it stressed – and this is perhaps the most relevant aspect – that the “Zionist congress” that took place in Carlsbad in September 1921 had officially accepted “the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development”.

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(Continued …).

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 21 December 2024 1:30:28 AM
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(Continued …).

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It is only in light of these clarifications that the preamble as well as Article 2 of the Mandate text can and should be understood. It is noteworthy that Zionist consent to such interpretation was requested, and received, before the Mandate was confirmed in July 1922.

In Chaim Weizmann’s words (the Zionist leader and first president of Israel) : “It was made clear to us that confirmation of the Mandate would be conditional on our acceptance of the policy as interpreted in the White Paper [of 1922], and my colleagues and I therefore had to accept it, which we did, though not without some qualms”. »

I must say I am surprised, Alon, that such major historical facts, indispensable for comprehending the tragic events that were to follow, are conspicuously absent from your article.

Naturally, comprehension is not inferential of justification or acceptance.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 21 December 2024 1:37:47 AM
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Well Banjo where did you get the idea that the land belongs to the Arabs ?
The Jews lived there for 3000 to 4000 years and the Arab Islamic armies
only turned up in 746 AD !
They are really only "newcomers" and the Jews are indigenous to the land.
At least the aborigines were here for 60,000 years or so they say.
Do you support the aborigines claim ?
Posted by Bezza, Friday, 27 December 2024 10:41:39 PM
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Dear Bezza,

The land of Israel, like any other land, does not belong to Jews or to Arabs - the land belongs to God. Period!

- And if your claim relies on the Bible, then the Bible itself says the same:
"The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you reside in my land as foreigners and strangers." [Leviticus 25:23]

«The Jews lived there for 3000 to 4000 years and the Arab Islamic armies only turned up in 746 AD !»

The people who lived in Judea some 3000-4000 years ago were indeed ancestors to some of today's Jews. However:

1) They were the ancestors to only a minority of today's Jews, the majority of which are of Caucasian origin.
2) They were not Jewish as there wasn't such a thing then.
Judaism as we know it today is only around 1200 years old and the ancient Judeans worshipped the exact same gods/idols as the other people around them until around 600 B.C.E.
3) Most native "Arabs" in Israel are also descendants of the same.
4) The Arabs who conquered Israel around 746 AD were Christian converts, not Muslim, as Islam did not yet exist at the time. Moreover, the conquerors were not families, just a few 100's of fighters, who came, took what they wanted, killed whom they wanted, levied taxes and left to conquer other lands (leaving only a minimal guard to collect the taxes): they made no significant change to Israel's demography.

«They are really only "newcomers" and the Jews are indigenous to the land.»

Most of Israel's Arab population, including those idiots who now call themselves "Palestinian", are not newcomers, but the descendants of the original Judean farmers who remained on their land ever since - this while their brothers and sisters which later founded Judaism, left the land, essentially for economic reasons.

Anyway, why should being indigenous confer any land rights?
- All lands are God's anyway, we are only entitled to the improvements we make on the land through the toil of our hands.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 29 December 2024 10:42:43 AM
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Indeed, Palestine has rejected offers to have its own state ... the first time, Israel was prepared to accept just 20% of the territory.

https://africachinapresscenter.or/2023/10/13/5-times-in-the-past-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state.

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past
https://lawandsocietymagazine.com

A Short History of Palestinian Rejectionism,
https://besacenter.org/palestian-rejectionism

Palestinians Rejected Statehood
www.camera.org/article/palestinians-rejected-statehood

The question is why? Certainly the present Hamas leaders are billionaires living very far away from Palestinian territories ... away in Qatar. They have appropriated donations intended for the Palestinian peoples.

Alon Ben-Meir wrote of the Palestinians that they "Never Missed An Opportunity to Miss and Opportunity" (April 18, 2004)
alonben-meir.com

He was quoting Israel's late foreign minister Abba Eban.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Tuesday, 31 December 2024 2:48:00 PM
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