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The Forum > Article Comments > Why facts (voters) can’t get a look-in against ‘Huge Australia’ groupthink > Comments

Why facts (voters) can’t get a look-in against ‘Huge Australia’ groupthink : Comments

By Stephen Saunders, published 21/3/2024

The dominating ‘Huge Australia’ stakeholders are a diverse lot. United however, by false immigration narratives that railroad voters. Almost impossible to counter, in woke Australia.

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Good on Stephen Saunders. The housing crisis has revealed the manic determination of Huge Australia grifters to carry on with the destructive process of sqeezing as many people as possible into the country. Won't be long until we are all told to save water because of "climate change" and people who shower daily are irresponsible. Water issues will be the only thing that will stop the madness. In time, net zero immigration will have to be included into the constitution to prevent any government doing this again. In the meantime, please avoid voting for Labor,Liberal,fake Green or Fake Teal
Posted by watersnake, Thursday, 21 March 2024 8:37:58 AM
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A well researched article.

The final rule though, is the plight of the losers to the greedy plunder mass migration is to the entitled Democracy hating ruling “class”, must never be spoken about.

On the ground, the anxiety inflicting prospects of homlessness are as real as the abysmal prospects of finding affordable shelter; or often, any shelter at any price.

There also is, carried out in unison to the above hopeless prospects, a vicious persecution of the losing “ class” engaged in the unrecognised survival against the odds stacked against participants in the game of abandonment, played by the winners of the sick mass immigration scam.

If it were anywhere but on these pages of OLO, I’d list some local tragedies , but experience tells me , here among the smug and over pampered, is no place to recruit sympathy of the losers?
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 21 March 2024 8:57:02 AM
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Post WW2 migration 1945 to 1965 was about 100,000 per year. That includes many success stories of those who did well. Now it's 500,000 per year many of whom seem to be miserable and unable to get the jobs and homes they'd hoped for. They are lured in by those peddling the fantasy of 'green growth'. The early signs it may not be working as planned are the housing crisis and declining per capita GDP. Later will come the closure of heavy industry that can no longer get baseload power.

This autumn I've wondered if south eastern Australia will have enough water to grow food and meet other needs. That zone is also running out of gas for industry, homes and power balancing. A precautionary approach would be to try and balance the population and resources we already have. I expect it to come to a head this decade.
Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 21 March 2024 9:05:05 AM
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“ ….voters have no low-migration option.”?

One Nation
Australian Protectionist Party
Sustainable Australia Party

Plus various independents who appear on ballot papers at election time.

Not popular of course, but perfectly ‘votable’ for people seriously concerned about mass immigration that is sending them broke, trashing their culture, making it hard to find somewhere to live, to see a doctor - and all the other things Big Australia is ripping away from us, just to help out mad, career-driven politicians too incompetent fix the economy without importing iffy foreigners.

But, of course, Australians don't appear to be seriously concerned about anything. it's their fault that they don't get a “look in”.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 March 2024 9:15:39 AM
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“Once upon a time, things were good and you didn’t have to talk about immigration. Those golden days are over.” (Jordan Knight, ‘Spectator Australia’)

Knight says that “even federal labor have seen the writing on the wall”: that immigration is “extremely unpopular” with Australians.

Not sure about that.

As they bear the brunt of the costs of mass immigration, the mainly Labor states should be having a strong word with Albanese.

But, as usual, loyal to their dear leader - not their constituents - and blind ideology takes precedence over common sense.

And, immigration comes in only 10th. on the list of voter concerns.

Australians are 1st. on the list of people getting what they deserve from the politicians they keep voting fit.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 March 2024 9:39:51 AM
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New immigrants tend to vote for the party in office that let them in,

ie. they're new supporters of Labor...
Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 21 March 2024 9:49:09 AM
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Yup.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 21 March 2024 9:52:17 AM
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Eight billion and counting....
When will we ever come to our senses and accept that the only problem we have is too many of us!!
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 21 March 2024 2:42:58 PM
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No need to worry, our Glorious Labor Government is doing deals with Uncle Xi as we speak. New South Guangdong will welcome in many hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants per year...meanwhile all "good Aussies" will get an all expenses paid sea voyage back to their new, plushly appointed accommodation in one of the many vacant "cities" around China- with a course of their choice in "re-education" subjects alongside a Uhigur comrade.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Thursday, 21 March 2024 3:25:16 PM
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they're new supporters of Labor.
Maverick,
Been saying that since Day 1. That trade started in the Goaf days ! Enclaves are now the sponges of Govt funding.
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 25 March 2024 7:50:39 AM
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No, we do not have have high immigration, but high temporary border movements or churn over counted under the UNPD defined NOM (inflated in 2006), predominantly students who are temporary residents, deemed net financial contributors e.g. GST, then majority depart; free money.

Conversely, like the comments section here, the permanent population is ageing and creating population growth through longevity and tugging on budgets more, but we are about to enter 'the big die off' for two decades cleaning up the oldies and boomers, 5 million.

Optimum or balanced population numbers by mid century, or is it qualitative issues?
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 25 March 2024 7:02:54 PM
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Everybody in Australia, except "Andras" Smith, works with the Treasury/ABS definition of net migration, and accepts that we have high migration. The final figure for 2022-23 is 548,000, thrashing the previous record by well over 200,000. The momentum has barely flagged, in 2023-24.

But the Treasurer claims last week that he is taking "quite substantial action" to "put downward pressure" on migration. Even by his debased standards, the most extraordinary lie
Posted by Steve S, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 1:17:20 PM
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Yes Steve but if they didn't lie and become proficient with lying they would never have won the election with 32.6% of the primary vote. They also have outfits like the ABC and the Silly Morning Herald to protect them.
Posted by watersnake, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 1:29:10 PM
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No Stephen S, you are wrong e.g. conflating ABS/Treasury to muddy the water, like most SPA & MB headlines or talking points masquerading as expert insight and analysis.

Ignoring basic rules of research and statistics 101, with uninformed heuristic shortcuts to dog whistle immigration and population to the mass of low info, uneducated and ageing voters, pining for a return to white Australia, the mother country, the LNP or ON and stopping or delaying a transition away from fossil fuels (also see nuclear talking points).

Fact 1: ABS

'Estimates of NOM based on the previous methods and those based on the ‘12/16 month rule’ methodology are not comparable. The key change is the 2006 introduction of the ‘12/16 month rule’ for measuring a person’s residency in Australia, replacing the previous ‘12/12 month rule’.' (keywords, previous data is 'not comparable')

Fact 2: Population Centre within the Treasury

'Australia’s population was 26.8 million at 30 September 2023. This was 2.5 per cent higher than a year earlier, the highest level of growth since the 1950s.' (it's temporary growth, neither permanent nor comparable due to change in methodology)

As the ABS points out, any data before 2006 is not comparable, Treasury analysts have not received the memo or are they undercutting their own expertise, 'education' and Treasurer?

Accordingly, Australia's demographic data and analysis, using the same techniques as climate science denial, have the 'integrity of custard', but keeps the RW MSM, LNP, RWNJs & nativist left in clover.
Posted by Andras Smith, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 12:39:37 AM
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Seems to me that with 10 Jumbo jets dedicated to bring in migrants
it is definitely time to say STOP !
If it was up to me I would only allow in building industry workers who
can speak English and their family.
In one for one years time I would see if successful, if so repeat.

No doubt the woke will be screaming but I remember a site once that
hardly spoke anything but Italian, Serbian and something else.
Really hard for off job outside contractors.
Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 30 March 2024 3:55:16 PM
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