According to Wikipedia there have been between 16m and 28m excess deaths worldwide due to Covid 19. That's around the population of Australia. If that's not a catastrophe I'm not sure what is. Alternatively we must continue to inject bleach and horse wormer and ignore the doctors.

Only as low as they are permitted to go. And they had permission from the political class and the slavish voters.

From my observation the COVID fiasco did one thing if nothing else. It clearly showed the line between those who can think & those who think they can think !
I for one find it rather simple-minded of people who always do nothing but criticise bitterly to condemn those who, when faced with a very serious community health scenario at least do something to prevent worse. We have absolutely no information if the measures taken worked or didn't or made things worse. And, if there is it'll be hotly disputed no matter what the evidence is.
In general, people who do nothing are worse than any decease.

Well line up for your booster Taswegian but don't overlook the fact that anyone who fell off a cliff or died in a car crash or any other accident, or who had various co-morbidities including cancer, was classed a a "covid death" in many countries - especially the US where box-ticking hospitals and medicos received big subsidies. Anything to push the message that the vaccines were "perfectly safe and effective". Give me ivermectin any day, it actually does have a very long safe record, unlike the covid jabs!

I meant to add "if they tested positive for covid" after any accidental death or death from other causes, it was classed as a covid death!

The Flat Earth Society is indeed alive and well in these pages.........

A peer reviewed study did find some mild to serious side effects in a few individuals. Around 7 in 1,000. And hardly a catastrophe, giving the lives that were surely saved. Since then, further studies have shown that the vaccine may in fact cure cancer.
Alan B.

The peer reviewed study didn't/couldn't eliminate already existing but undiagnosed, health conditions.
Alan B.

How they count covid cases https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF6Wz7rypdU

How low can COVID-19 catastrophists go?

From the study:
"In this study including more than 99 million people vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, the risk up to 42 days after vaccination was generally similar to the background risk for the majority of outcomes; however, a few potential safety signals were identified."

For rates of venous thromboembolic events: an excess rate of 2.5 events per 100,000 vaccinations.

For myocarditis : 4–7 excess events in 28 days per 100,000 vaccinees.

Do the Maths, these are very low percentages even assuming that these 99 million people all had the same base health indicators before vaccination.

A recent Swiss study showed that myocarditis cases after Moderna Covid vaccination were mild and temporary.


This latest study concludes: "....our study confirmed previously identified rare safety signals following COVID-19 vaccination and contributed evidence on several other important outcomes."

Barry Young, a former employee of New Zealand’s Ministry of Health, who has a Masters in Science, has risked going to prison for seven years for releasing anonymised information from a Government database which he helped build.

This data identifies COVID-19 vaccine batch numbers and the corresponding deaths of individuals within a very close timeframe of receiving their dose of the immunisation. The data he presents shows that some batch numbers had a fatality rate of up to 21.38%.
"Perfectly safe and effective?" https://didyouknow.ink/whistleblower-reveals-covid-19-vaccine-death-rates/

Excellent article!

Despite the concerted censorship of alternate viewpoints, confirmation of the harms of mRNA vaccines is increasingly filtering through.

One article I've read recently includes compelling photos of fibrous blood clots in the dead bodies of mRNA recipients, a phenomenon which embalmers had never seen prior to the Covid vaccine rollout.

"In a recent survey of 269 embalmers across four major countries and three continents, more than 70% reported finding strange fibrous white blood clots in significant percentages of corpses in 2023 — clots they were not finding pre-pandemic. A similar survey conducted in late 2022 revealed that 66% of embalmers began finding the unusual clots in mid-2021, suggesting a temporal link to the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, which began earlier that year." https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/blood-clots-embalmers-report-mid-2021-covid-vaccines

It is not a "flat earth" position to question the safety of vaccines that were rushed into production and never properly tested. The pharmaceutical companies profiting from these vaccines have such a control over health advisory bodies that only blind believers would accept their recommendations at face value. It is a perfectly valid and prudent response to examine the Big Pharma money trail and scrutinise the obscene levels of untrammelled profiteering involved in the vaccine industry. And the more one reads, the more one sees the need for caution.

WTF?
According to data from the Human Mortality Database, the total number of Americans dying each day — from any cause — is no longer historically abnormal.

The New York times reports: "During Covid’s worst phases, the total number of Americans dying each day was more than 30 percent higher than normal, a shocking increase. For long stretches of the past three years, the excess was above 10 percent. But during the past few months, excess deaths have fallen almost to zero, according to three different measures."

The highest excess deaths occurred at the start of 2020 and 2021 - well before vaccines were readily available.

Trying to link increases in excess deaths to Covid vaccinations is a losing game.

People who expect a vaccine/medication that was designed to work for the average human to work 100% for everyone are living in a dream.
Or, do they expect a custom made vaccine for each of the 8 Billion silly mutts fouling this Planet ?

"But during the past few months, excess deaths have fallen almost to zero, according to three different measures."

The methodology to measure excess deaths has been changed, so not sure how reliable any such extrapolations will now be, which more than likely is exactly the reason for the changes.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/estimatingexcessdeathsintheukmethodologychanges/february2024

WTF?

Bronwyn, the data I am referring to is not an extrapolation but an analysis of past data.

Changing mythologies for future analysis does not change the conclusion that the abnormal death rates from 2020-2023 are attributed to Covid19.

As for blood clots: New Scientist reported on 27th February this year that " Many covid-19 vaccines appear to reduce the risk of heart attacks, strokes and other blood clot conditions for at least six months, according to a study of the health of about 46 million people amid the coronavirus pandemic. This is despite them causing rare side effects that affect the heart and blood clotting system."

Well I'm unvaxxed and proud.
I'm not risking putting that damned poison in me.

And I remember how everyone else acted during the pandemic.
A race and an accomplishment to vaccinate as many as possible.
Peer pressure guilt and punishment by the vaccinated, celebrities and government to those who did not comply.

I remember how many of you lot acted, and with that and I couldn't care less what any of you all think.
I know of overbearing parents who guilted their kids into getting it and their kids and grandkids ended up up with side effects.
The success story only holds up for people that didn't have side effects, it doesn't hold up for those who did.

90% of you turned into your own little Hitlers.
I wasn't necessarily against the lockdowns because I thought it was necessary to minimise risk and harm to others, essentially the elderly.
- But the only reason we needed lockdowns within the country was because we failed to lock it out of the country.
- Too busy flying immigrants in and frightened of offending the Chinese to act pragmatically.

In the end I think it was found that Covid came to us from the US and Europe.

Putting quarantine in the centre of capital cities with shared intenal ventilation.
Stupid incompetent government imbeciles... and other maniacs.

Anyone who takes offense from what I say can just go and line up for another jibby-jabby booster shot for all I care.
Or just go play Russian roulette, hardly any difference.
Ultimately, we unvaxxed know that we won't get any sense out of the Pro-Vax NAZI's, and we stopped caring about what they thought a long time ago anyway.

WTF?

Armchair Critic says: "and we stopped caring about what they thought a long time ago anyway."

Yet you are on here commenting - that has to be peak denier virtual signalling if ever I say it.

Two days ago there were 3 Covid19 attributed deaths in Australia.

Most of the global death caused by Covid occurred in the 2 years from January 2020 until March 2022.

In the last 2 years the death rate has dropped dramatically.

So far, world wide, there have been over 7 million deaths.

Studies show us the even with the small percentage of people who have a negative reaction to the vaccines most of those affected have a mild and temporary reaction.

Roll up, roll up for your sixth or seventh booster or maybe actually wake up to what's been happening. From another great article In The Spectator Australia: "It’s been a bad week for Covid vaccine advocates. On Monday, the Australian Senate voted by the narrowest of margins (31 to 30) that excess mortality should be investigated. This was a huge win for Victorian Senator Ralph Babet of the United Australia Party and for all Australians. After voting three times against Senator Babet’s motion on Monday, the Senate finally acknowledged that: ‘(a) the concerning number of excess deaths observed in Australia in 2021 and 2022 has continued into 2023 as evidenced by all-cause provisional mortality data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics; and (b) there is a need for further inquiry as to the reasons for these excess deaths.’

To get the motion passed, Babet secured the support of every cross-bencher, no mean feat. Only Labor and the Greens seem determined to protect the Covid vaccine manufacturers from the scrutiny that will come when Australia’s shocking excess mortality is officially investigated.

So far, Australia’s dramatic increase in excess deaths, which closely followed the rollout of the Covid vaccines and boosters, has only been studied by doctors and scientists working with the independent Australian Medical Professionals Society (AMPS) or independent investigators such as Dr Wilson Sy who has studied excess mortality in Australia and the UK.

The latest ABS provisional mortality data however also tells the story. Published on Tuesday, it showed that excess deaths in November were 12 per cent higher than the baseline average.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/03/a-covid-apollygy/

More from the same Spectator article above:
"The latest ABS provisional mortality data however also tells the story. Published on Tuesday, it showed that excess deaths in November were 12 per cent higher than the baseline average.

This is very disturbing news because after a pandemic is over – and recall the WHO said the pandemic ended in the middle of 2022 – deaths should be lower than normal because of a well-known phenomenon called a pull-forward effect which simply means that because some people died earlier than expected due to the pandemic there should be fewer deaths once the pandemic is over.

Not only is this not the case, but deaths that studies have linked to the Covid vaccines are skyrocketing. For example, deaths due to dementia in November 2023 were 18.5 per cent above baseline and 6 per cent above the number in 2022. While November may have been a bad month, so far, data available for 2023 shows deaths due to dementia were 12 per cent above baseline and only 3 per cent below the number of dementia deaths recorded in the horror year of 2022 in which there were 190,775 deaths, more than 15 per cent above the baseline average...."
Perfectly safe and effective? Yeah, right..
https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/03/a-covid-apollygy/?

Hi WTF? - Not Again,
"Yet you are on here commenting - that has to be peak denier virtual signalling if ever I say it.."

'peak-denier' and 'virtue signalling' in the same sentence
- Nope, too woke for me sorry, I don't comprehend the meaning of whatever crap it is you're saying.

"Two days ago there were 3 Covid19 attributed deaths in Australia."

Yes, your point is?
Anti-vaxers never tried to force others not to take the vaccine, which is completely different to the pro-vaxers, who did force some people to take it, at risk of losing their jobs, homes, livelihoods, reputations etc.
Anti-vaxers might've been opposed to the vaccine (their personal choice) but they recognised that it was also up to others to decide for themselves, and cautioned against potential unknown side effects.

"Most of the global death caused by Covid occurred in the 2 years from January 2020 until March 2022.
In the last 2 years the death rate has dropped dramatically."
- Well maybe the rate of global infections has also reduced in that period.
Are we calling it 'the flu' again?

"So far, world wide, there have been over 7 million deaths".
- Again what's your point?
Are you saying that there would be a lot less deaths if everyone was vaccinated and a lot deaths if they weren't?

In any case, whats with the 'authoritarian' attitude of forcing people to take an untested gene therapy, instead of allowing people to decide whats right for them?

The pro-vaxers were acting like NAZI's and making the argument that the unvaxed were putting everyone at risk, some even advocated putting us in concentration camps.
That's how you treated us, then many of you vaxed people just started dropping dead on the spot for no reason.
Others amongst you died much slower more horrible deaths;
(Many live, with horrible health problems for life)
- And for others, well dropping dead on the spot just hasn't happened yet, but it will.

Hi Mikko2,
"Roll up, roll up for your sixth or seventh booster"
- 9th.
http://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1766542234839564473
And more coming.
http://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1766692740337668172

WTF?
Armchair Critic - I once posed the question "What does woke mean?" or something along those lines.

The Colins definition of woke is "Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness."

And here we have Armchair Critic rallying against the perceived social and political unfairness associated with vaccination.

Congratulations Armchair Critic - you are now Woke.

I have seen at least one person put their name as an author to an article trying to link Covid vaccinations to abnormal deaths.

It took about 5 minutes of research looking at the author's support material to totally debunk that link.

The author's support/source material actually said "...showed that myocarditis cases after Moderna Covid vaccination were mild and temporary."

As far as I can see nobody writing articles on OLO can show any research linking Covid vaccinations to "many of you vaxed people just started dropping dead on the spot for no reason."

Logic would tell us if there is no reason then it cannot be associated with the Covid vaccine, thanks for clearing that up for us AC.

More from the Spectator Australia article quoted earlier:
"...As for cancer, the ABS doesn’t give any analysis, but cancer, the single largest cause of death in Australia is, on the crude numbers, up 7 per cent compared with 2022. Dr Angus Dalgleish is one of several leading oncologists who fear a link between Covid vaccines and an increase in cancer in those in remission. There is also evidence of an increase in new aggressive cancers dubbed turbo cancers.

All this disturbing evidence has led to thousands of doctors demanding the Covid vaccines be withdrawn until they are fully investigated. An avalanche of studies point to a link. While this is well-known to readers of these pages, during a US select subcommittee meeting on the coronavirus pandemic held on February 16 Chairman Brad Wenstrup admitted that Vaccine Adverse Events Reports (VAERS) for the Covid-19 vaccines dwarfed those for all other vaccines combined since 1990. The representative of the Food and Drug Administration, Dr Peter Marks, then admitted that the government had to dramatically increase staff to manage the flood of reports of side effects, a fact first revealed by Dr Naomi Wolf and her team’s study of the 55,000 pages of Pfizer Covid vaccine trial data released under FOI...."
https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/03/a-covid-apollygy/?
If anyone still believes it's "perfectly safe and effective", go for it, but don't coerce or mandate it on others!

"And here we have Armchair Critic rallying against the perceived social and political unfairness associated with vaccination."

More woke crap.

You imply I'm against the science of inoculation, well I'm not.
I'm against unsafe vaccines.

I don't even think these 'vaccines' innoculate.
Aren't they untested and experimental gene therapies?

My issue is one group of people forcing and peer pressuring another group of people like a witch hunt instead of respecting peoples right to make their own decision, when the whole problem was in fact caused by the federal governments failure to quarantine the country from an outside contagion in the first place.

If anyone wants to take the vaccine, I won't stop them, I'd advise them against it, but if they're elderly I understand they have weaker immune systems and fear the virus, and also often have an unwavering belief in what government tells them is the truth.

"Congratulations Armchair Critic - you are now Woke."

[Rolls eyes]
Congratulations WTF? - Not Again, you're now officially a .......
- You can add in whatever 7 letter word you think suits you best.
I selected one for you already, but forum rules prevent me from sharing.

"It took about 5 minutes of research looking at the author's support material to totally debunk that link."

There's a cause, and there are (side) effect(s), but they probably haven't found a link.
You're essentially trying to argue the side effects don't exist either, when they do, but maybe can't yet be scientifically proven that one (vaccines) are the cause of the other (side effects).
But even the manufacturers themselves state these known side effects.
http://youtu.be/UadHCpSjyew

You're arguing that younger healthier people with strong immune systems should take the vaccine, when in my opinion they face greater risk from the vaccine than the virus.
The argument might be reversed if we're talking about older citizens who have an increased risk of actually dying with Covid.

Some people might look at it like 'the lesser evil'
Some people may prefer to take their chances with COVID rather than the vaccines.

'I've got a great idea! why don't we try to modify human beings DNA to make us more resistant to colds?'

'Great, what will we need?'

'Well we're going to have to inject everyone with a gene therapy that we've already prepared'

...None of us have any idea whether or not this is one giant experiment, just like they breed more resilient varieties of plants and vegetables.
It sure as hell never originated in a Chinese wet market.

Funny how they had that 'vaccine / gene therapy' ready for us in record time, right?
- The virus hadn't even been sequenced.

You can all play Russian Roullete with your jibby-jabby.
I'm unvaxxed, so I have the luxury of not having to care what's in it.

Armchair Critic, I agree, let those who want the jab and believe the hype that it's "perfectly safe and effective" go for it. Problem is, some of us have kids and grandkids or siblings who also believed the hype initially or were forced to have it if they wanted to keep working and paying their mortgages. They are the ones I feel really sorry for and many of them have woken up to what is happening and won't be going for any more boosters. Even within our own family circle, we have had one sudden heart attack death, one case of fibromyalgia rheumatica shortly after vaccination, and another older woman who is practically immobilised after her third shot which her medicos told her she needed because of her compromised immune system!

An oncologist who's diagnosed over 20 000 cancer patients throughout his career has described the increasing incidence of turbo-charged cancers << They're showing up in young people, many under the age of 30, with no family history of cancer. They’re showing up in pregnant women and young children. Equally odd is the fact that most are Stage 3 or 4 by the time they’re diagnosed, yet symptoms only arose days or weeks ago. The cancers grow and spread so rapidly, that many of these patients die before treatment can even begin. Most of them are also resistant to conventional treatment and don’t respond. >>

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccines-turbo-cancers-cola

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/young-people-cancer-death-uk-edward-dowd-analysis

WTF?

Armchair Critic: It certainly is interesting to see you demonstrating your inner wokeness, even if you find it difficult to self identify, your wokeness is on display for us all.

AC says: "My issue is one group of people forcing and peer pressuring another group of people..."

Well, like it or not, that is, by definition, woke thinking.

AC says: "You're essentially trying to argue the side effects don't exist either."

No AC that is far from what I'm saying - go back, reread and apply comprehension skills.

This lot should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity: https://www.facebook.com/100007524702310/videos/427890349688162?idorvanity=1268452070773714