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A losing voice: the fall of an indigenous referendum measure : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 17/10/2023

The referendum was bound to lose, with Yes campaigners failing to convince undecided voters even as they rejoiced in preaching to their own faithful.

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It's time to get over it, and start thinking about Albaneseís next try at totalitarianism, censorship of speech: the suppression of anything not government lies and misinformation.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 7:52:10 AM
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What has destroyed the First Nations people is the forced integration with Christianity.

Replacing one god in the sky with another concept of a new God in the sky does not lead to successful outcomes.

All the smoking ceremonies and magic voices will not solve the fundamental problem of loss of cultural and spiritual attachments lost to advancing civilisation.

This is the true sadness.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 9:00:14 AM
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Diver Dan. History will show that in general, while there were a few poor experiences at some missions, by and large they did a good job. Things went downhill after the missions were closed down.

The city elite should listen to the spray that Warren Mundine gave to the press at his interview after the vote.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/warren-mundine-lashes-out-at-reporters-during-voice-press-conference/video/39fb7f237f324d929897e5653e30836a

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 2:10:01 PM
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Dear VK3AUU,

Warren Mundine is utterly duplicitous on this. He staunchly supported Abbott stripping half a billion dollars from Indigenous programs in the 2014 budget. Things like custody referral systems which had helped dramatically reduce deaths in custody gone in a flash. Remote work programs torched. Good initiatives which were working well slashed.

Mundine is a Libertarian and Price even more so. We would never have had systems like Medicare under their watch.

Crocodile tears for the most part.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 3:53:15 PM
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Here is the long-hand Dave!

Every religion is built upon a foundation of morality; a morality which can be translated into rights and norms which define a cultural imperative for survival.

The native cultures were encased in the Natural physics of their environment and constrained by myths and legends; in the case of Australian Aboriginals, untold thousands of years untouched by the need to change. A spiritual attachment to the land, not simply a physical attachment, as with Western civilisations with their Salvationist Christianity suitable as it is to Capitalism and spiritual detachment from nature, offering indigenous conquered tribes a totally unfamiliar alternative, if one at all, since they were initially rejected by colonial rulers.

What Iím saying here, is Christianity was no help to them at all under the circumstances they faced. They were doomed from the start.

Itís not the fault of Christianity they were so confronted, but along with the march of civilisation came a new religion totally non-inanimate and detached from nature, forced as an alternative

Some outcomes of life cannot be undone: The Aboriginal plight is one of them. Offering them sensible paths to meet and integrate into the dominant culture is the only way forward.
But gifting them back forty percent of the Australian land mass as compensation is unrealistic madness, and sets them up for more failure not less, since they as a tribe have totally lost track with the land and their attachment to it. The Spirit has evaporated for good; a spiritual dilemma!
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Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 5:13:19 PM
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The fact that the Yes side attempted so blatantly to con the voters to answer two questions or rather proposals with only one answer is what thankfully cost them their insidious agenda !
The indigenous are universally accepted as the traditional inhabitants of this continent, no vote required !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 5:56:18 AM
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