The links I am keen to look at in this article come up with a '404' message. Can you resolve this please.

If we want to save the environment humans need to curb breeding & other frivolous activities !

"Most people have no idea how far beyond sustainable ways we are, nor do they realise that the planet cannot be saved in or by affluent-consumer-capitalist society".

Who the hell said that? It's too wild a statement not to be attributed to the BS artist who made it.

Our society will cease to function without fossil fuels. This fact is already obvious in Europe, where the idiots have gone well beyond the pale with renewables fairy tales. The Australian Socialists and whatever the other crowd is calling themselves these days is going down the same path. Idiots!

Zero Emissions, electric cars, hydrogen, batteries; none of this crap is going to stand up.

"Most people have no idea of the huge magnitude of the reductions required".

No they do not. But do 'most people' know or care about anything but their immediate wants and desires these days? No, they do not. That’s why we have Socialist governments who don't give a damn about those complacent people.

Don't worry about the "poor countries".We don't even care about our own country. We will be one of the poor countries, the way we are going.

In the not too distant future, the survivors will be those who opt out of mainstream madness. Politics will no longer save us; in fact, it is politics and politicians that are doing us down.

Hi individual,
No, I think they should stop the 200,000+ immigrants they're adding each year.
I read that Australia is already a water importer, and that we sell water bonds to multinationals like Coca-Cola for years in advance, ensuring their drink businesses water supplies.
(They sell the water back to us at a huge markup)

- And also, so that Coca-Cola can make quality products like Sprite Lemon+...
(Which is labelled on the bottle as unsafe for children)

Hey ttbn,
"Our society will cease to function without fossil fuels. This fact is already obvious in Europe, where the idiots have gone well beyond the pale with renewables fairy tales. The Australian Socialists and whatever the other crowd is calling themselves these days is going down the same path. Idiots!

Zero Emissions, electric cars, hydrogen, batteries; none of this crap is going to stand up."

Well said. They're just locking western countries down with their WEF mainstream government narratives.
Apparently war and munitions production is perfectly fine for the environment, obviously things can't be that bad.

Our PM evidently believes in green growth. We'll bring in thousands of family reunion refugees and they can maintain all the windmills so we can build houses for even more people on the remaining productive land. I think the reality check could be coming this decade ie by 2030. Right now there is plenty of water in the rivers and there is a jobs boom post Covid and from baby boomer retirements. In a few short years that could all change. El Nino will dry up the landscape, the workforce will stabilise, coal closures and expensive energy will halt industry. Swathes of people will be on rent subsidies.

I'm not sure about local food production. People want air freighted bananas (in Europe) and steak killed out of sight. I think by 2030 there will be massive discontent and frustration.

Do you realise what it will take to save the environment?

The answer to the question becomes glaringly obvious.

As the population becomes less capable of affording the alternatives to oil, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer exponentially to introduced alternative systems.

Australia is already the most indebted Western Democracy through the madness of a scorched housing market, which has added significantly to poverty and alienation, by dividing its major cities into East side West side debt traps.

At what stage in the struggle to survive the offical madness of Governance, do households permanently shut down the main switch on the electrical meter board in order to eat; a standard practice in times of depression.

Or read some John Steinbeck for clues on intercepting the power lead-in before the meter: then the cat and mouse dodging the authorities searching for just that innovation.

People everywhere will resort to whatever it takes ti survive, and from what I see, that road is well travelled already in many communities.

Hi Merlyn7, you're right, and the errors were in the original manuscript. I've asked the author to supply fresh links and will notify once they have been inserted into the article. My apologies. I should have checked all the links, but was in a hurry. Graham

I question the figures. Actual coal mining jobs by folk working at the coal face, is maybe 12,000 and reflected in the number in their union.

Are their job prospects to take precedence over the environmental outcomes for around 23 million Australians?

Mining coal comes with black lung disease and other health issues as does the burning of coal and what goes up the smokestacks and into the environment. Where do you think the mercury in our fish stocks came from, genius.

It's not as if there were no other jobs they could do and not have to move, lock, stock and barrel when the mine plays out. Besides coal fired power is arguably ten times or more expensive than nuclear.

We just need to lift the insane self-imposed embargo on nuclear power. And inside 12 months a number of SMR's and or MSR thorium modules will be plugging away supplying affordable power to our homes and currently mothballed industry/manufacturing.

Aluminium is just congealed electricity and the big arc furnaces smelting steel not too different. Neither of which could be economically supported by battery of pumped hydro renewables.

Coal fired power has a maximum life in this country of 20-30 years and more than enough time to transition to the power we will need for the rest of our time here on a ravaged planet earth.

It's not like any of this is done tomorrow or in the next five minutes, but progressively and with ample warning. If you cannot adapt to change then expect to be steamrolled by it!

Remember, all human progress has been accompanied by a new source of energy, e.g., when carbon replaced human slavery! Imagine what power prices that could as low as 1 cent PKWH would do to manufacturing.

Better that than greed is good, phucking it as now! It's coal fired enthusiasts who have (do you realise) credibility problems and don't understand the economic outcomes that will come when we transition away from 18th century, coal-fired power!
Alan B.

Pretty damn obvious to any thinking person. And even those who can`t/won`t think.
TOO MANY PEOPLE!!

Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 13 February 2023 5:44:06 PM

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America’s national debt has now surpassed $31 trillion
CNN - Published 6:31 PM EDT, Tue October 4, 2022
http://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/04/economy/us-national-debt-31-trillion/index.html

Who does the United States owe this $31 trillion debt?
- Foreign governments as well as banks and private investors, state and local governments and the Federal Reserve own most of this debt, and it's held in Treasury securities, bills and bonds. Foreign governments and private investors are one of the biggest holders of the public debt, owning around $7.7 trillion.

- This number does not includes state and local debt.

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America is in debt to which governments specifically and which private investors specifically. Blackrock ? Vangard ?

E4. Current inflation and cost of living pressures are all energy cost related. Lower the cost of energy to the end consumer, and one deals with inflation as well as producing increasing economic activity and growth.

Power prices, with the greed is good middleman removed, and retailed direct from generator to you. Will halve and halve again the cost of electrical energy.

Choosing MSR nuclear waste burning technology solves the waste problem while producing energy prices that could be as low as 1 cent PKWH. Surely that's worth doing/providing.

Moreover, nuclear energy at that price allows one to economically turn seawater into all manner of cost competitive hydrocarbons/fuel, plastics and fertilizers with well-known, established and proven science.

And allows every country on the planet to get out from under the greed is good fossil fuel barons and end energy created inflation/energy related economic hardship.

Everything we use, buy, make has an energy component, put the price of energy up and everything else goes up! Except maybe wages and salaries!

Every western style economy rest solely on just two economic pillars, energy and capital! Energy has never been more costly and capital costs are also going through the roof as we head for a perfect economic storm! As the two economic pillars that support us are pulled out from under/wrecked.

If we would retire debt, then we need unapparelled economic growth. And allow that growth to do what it did before and cancel/retire debt. And the only tool in the economic toolbox to do that, is lower energy costs/prices! MSR thorium/nuclear waste burners.

It's the economy stupid, quote unquote.
Alan B.

The hypocrites' reaction to this topic is self explanatory !