Great. The mad world can produce virtual human victims; when will real world people be dispatched as surplus to ecological need, and how to do it.

Gassing is tried and proven, leading to more support for right wing NAZI parties.
Mark Zuckerberg, may use his influence and a few spare billions to capture them for the market, to be traded on the stock exchange. A very helpful adjunct for Climate change progressives.

Re-orientation of the view of victim could be productive for profits too.
A focus on the failures of the perfect capitalist society in wealthy donor Countries; in the most part, those already plundered and penny-less , the sick the homeless and the aged, all ripe for harvest for the non-virtual Dutch ovens. The blissful melding of technologies for profit.

Brilliant concept.

Dan.

It's ok to create dream castles in the cloud. but to move into them as permanent residents, not ok!

This is waving the white flag of surrender to real action on climate change.

There needs to be a class action against all those nations spewing their poisons into the atmosphere and adding to manmade climate change.

Transitioning to renewables may address climate change but not without other harms to the environment.

One of which will be poisoned wild fish stocks. As mountains of toxic waste find their way down rivers and streams into the oceans of the planet.

Instead of capitulation the Pacific ought to have championed a transition post haste to nuclear power! Which will address manmade climate change without tanking economies. Had we already done this, harmful energy driven inflation would now be, nonexistent!

And given the abundance of the mineral that transition ought to be to the world's cheapest, cleanest, safest power source, i.e., walk away safe MSR thorium, which is also carbon free!

MSR thorium only needs replacing once a century, whereas renewables need replacing every 25 years or so and given the cost of battery backed renewables a lose, lose every which way!

Recycling is energy dependent! And often energy costs (the elephant in the room) preclude, even economies of scale, recycling of batteries and solar panels.
Alan B.

Well perhaps in the virtual world Tuvalu will indeed sink due to climate change.

In the real world however, it continues to grow rather than sink.

As the oceans rise and tiny nations like Tuvalu sink beneath the waves, self-delusional nincompoops like MHaze will say, it ain't happening.
Alan B.

Alan B,

This will probably go over your head but this is one of many studies that show how the islands are in fact growing....

http://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article-abstract/43/6/515/131899/Coral-islands-defy-sea-level-rise-over-the-past?redirectedFrom=fulltext

"no islands have been lost, the majority have enlarged, and there has been a 7.3% increase in net island area over the past century (A.D. 1897–2013)"

Or this... http://www.bbc.com/news/10222679

""We have now got the evidence to suggest that the physical foundation of these countries will still be there in 100 years, so they perhaps do not need to flee their country."

I suspect you don't actually understand how coral islands exist and grow. But ignorance of the facts has never stopped you from mouthing off before, so why start now.

Coral grows underwater, so some islands may be growing in circumference as they slowly sink beneath the waves, genius.

As this occurs, genius, freshwater aquifers become saltwater and undrinkable. And salt inundation makes the growing of traditional survival crops, impossible, genius.

The fact that island circumference increases with inundation is not in any way a positive for those who have for centuries lived/survived on them, genius.

Ensure brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear genius and save the verbal abuse for the idiot in the mirror, who clearly is a couple of sheep short in the top paddock.
Alan B.

Alan you do make a fool of yourself when you shoot your mouth off, with out doing any research on subjects beyond your knowledge.

I suggest you do some research of how coral atolls grow. Then do some research on the current facts of atolls in the Pacific & Indian oceans. You will find we know that over 90% have been growing since satellite evidence became available, & obviously previously, but unknown as we had no method of easily measuring them.

Recent published research has shown that the only atoll islands not growing are of less than 10 acres in size.

The islands & the sea & the tectonic plates etc etc will continue to do what they've always done along with a little push from idiotic scientists letting off bombs underwater, creating collapsible voids by removing oil & gas et etc.
Anyone still believe the situation can be stopped ? The next civilisation following the next Ice-Age will be wondering just as we do about such things & they too will have scientists & academic experts misguiding them as they've done & still do with this "Civilisation" !
I wonder if future civilisations can get rid of the stupidity that has plagued humans thus far since day 1 !

Hasbeen. Read me again, I did confirm that coral grows. And for sure that growth has expanded some islands.

But it is killed by heat and cyclones. Does not do well in acidic water which becomes carbonic with the increased absorption of CO2 And as islands sink beneath the waves, provides more habitat for coral and fish, but makes many low laying islands uninhabitable.

If you were living on one of them, we can be sure your (I'm all right Jack) current callous indifference would be replaced with howls of VIP anger. And a rebel yell against all fossil fuel merchants, users and suppliers!

As an islander I don't see you resigning to your fate building dream castles in the cloud but out there in the vanguard, trying to get the world weaned off of fossil fuels.

If there was something that was cheaper, cleaner and safer than all fossil fuels and renewables. And carbon free to boot. As an islander you would be front and centre advocating for the transition!

The fact that you are an old salt makes your current position inexcusable.

But hey, you're alright aren't you.
Alan B.

Utter garbage again Alan.

The physical land area of 90% of atolls is growing. In fact it is heaver weather that throws the grown coral up onto the land to increase the dry land area.

Go do your research, & try to drop the emotive bull dust.

On the GBR I noticed quite a lot of new coral growth recently !
Fish life is still poor but hey, with so many bogans fishing every day that shouldn't come as a surprise.

Alan B,

I said the islands were growing rather than sinking.

You, in your usual pompous fashion, asserted that "tiny nations like Tuvalu [were sinking] beneath the waves" and that I was a 'nincompoop' for thinking otherwise.

I provided the evidence to show that indeed the islands were growing not sinking. You know, science-y type stuff.

Since then you tried (unsuccessfully) to try to find a way to talk yourself out of the original cock-up.

Why not just admit you were wrong and move on?

Emotive rubbish and I was wrong. I don't think so. And I don't resile from any of my remarks.

Ignorant and abusive attacks without merit.

Perhaps one of you two geniuses will explain where the melt water from glaciers and land-based ice on Iceland and Antartica goes.

Perhaps you believe it runs over the edge of a flat world.

Apart from that, I get you don't give a rats for the folk of Tuvalu and elsewhere as their homes sinks below the waves, even if the coral surrounding it grows in circumference.

How exactly do you believe that phenomena makes one iota of difference for folk whose homes are slowly being inundated by rising oceans. Or that I didn't raise in my original comment. Being I considered it a non-issue without relevance.

Coral doesn't grow above the waterline, geniuses. And it would need to, to save Tuvalu and other islands slowly sinking beneath the waves.

But hey you don't want to be forced to examine irrefutable evidence of manmade climate change, do you? And the role of your beloved fossil fuels in that context!
Alan B

So Alan B, I gather you reject the science in the data I originally showed you on the basis that you'd prefer it wasn't true? That sounds about right.

Alan stop being silly.
Go to the Auckland University, Coastal Institute, and they produced a
paper on the islands which I believe is still considered the last word.