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China’s weak historical claim to Taiwan : Comments
By Jack Chong, published 6/9/2022Beijing never noticed until Chiang Kai-shek showed up
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Posted by Maverick, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 4:07:46 PM
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Here is our agreement with the PRC regarding Taiwan :
JOINT COMMUNIQUE OF THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA CONCERNING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF DIPLOMATIC REL~ATIONS BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND CHINA The Australian Government and the Government of the People's Republic of China, in conformity with the interests and common desire of the two peoples, have decided upon mutual recognition and the establishment of diplomatic relations as from 21 December 1972. The two Governments agree to develop diplomatic relations, friendship and co-operation between the two countries on the basis of the principles of mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful co-existence. The Australian Government recognises the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China, acknowledges the position of the Chinese Government that Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China, and has decided to remove its official representation from Taiwan before 25 January 1973. The Government of the People's Republic of China appreciates the above stand of the Australian Government. The two Governments have agreed to exchange Ambassadors as soon as the administrative formalities and practical arrangements have been completed, and to provide each other with all the necessary assistance for the establishment and performance of the functions of diplomatic missions in their respective capitals on the basis of equality and mutual benefit and in accordance with international law and practice. For the Australian Government (signed) Alan Renouf Australian Ambassador to France For the Government of the People's Republic of China (signed) Huang Chen Ambassador of the People's Republic of China to France Paris, 21 December 1972 http://pmtranscripts.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/original/00003119.pdf . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 8 September 2022 1:42:18 AM
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Thanks Banjo
The key part, which Australia agreed to, which is still legally in force, being: "The Australian Government recognises the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China, acknowledges the position of the Chinese Government that Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China..." The rest at http://pmtranscripts.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/original/00003119.pdf Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 8 September 2022 11:31:29 AM
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"The Australian Government recognises the Government of the
People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China, acknowledges the position of the Chinese Government that Taiwan is a province of the People's Republic of China..." So what's wrong about it? ACKNOWLEDGING can be quite different than agreeing. Yes, Australia understands and agrees that the position of the Chinese government is such-and-such - big deal... even the Chinese themselves know that this is not true! Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 9 September 2022 12:27:02 AM
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Beijing hardly said, "Taiwan is an integral part of China," until in 1972 Nixon and Kissinger went to meet with Mao Zedong. Since then China has come to say so often and with self-assurance.
In 1871 over fifty Japanese fishermen were killed by indigenous Taiwanese. The Japanese government demanded indemnity but Beijing replied that Taiwan was not under its jusridiction. Both Taiwan and Korea began to develop and industialise themselves under Japanese rule. Japan's economic infrastructure investment in Taiwan was massive, not the US post-war investement. The average annual economic growth rate in Korea during the thirty-five years of Japanese rule was over three percent. Its populatin almost doubled and its GDP far more than doubled. I am afraid reasons for Korean animosty toward Japan should be found somewhere else, not in Japan but in Korean cultural pathology. There are, roughly speaking, two political forces in Taiwan. those who came from China (Chinese) and those who have been there all the time (Taiwanese). The former makes up the Kuomintang Paty and the latter the Minjin Party. Lee Teng-hui (Li Ting-hui) was tht first Taiwanise President. The present President comes from the Minjin Party. Posted by Michi, Monday, 12 September 2022 1:38:35 PM
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Truth be known Taiwan is too far to send our submarines. The Collins cannot do a round trip (transits then time on station) that far.
So we'll be sending a couple of destroyer/frigates and a supply ship.
All easy meat for China's DF-21D anti-ship missiles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21#DF-21D .
Maybe 500 RAN dead - and for nothing.
Like the US led us into Afghanistan, for nothing in the end. It took the Taliban 3 days to takeover. That was after US, Australia and other trusting allies withdrew the majority of troops from Afghanistan after that endless US led war.
Best to support the agreed US-Taiwan status quo, ie. the Taiwanese do the fighting. Others supply ammo - as in Ukraine.