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Saudi Arabia tells Biden & UN: no state between Israel & Jordan : Comments

By David Singer, published 29/6/2022

Saudi Arabia has sent US President Joe Biden and the United Nations (UN) a clear message to abandon the idea of creating a new Arab State between Israel and Jordan in an article published in Al-Arabiya News.

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Why not make Israel a democracy? Why divide it and give part of it to Jordan. Why not have Israel become a state for all of its citizens? Why not have civil marriage, an integrated public school system and separation of religion and government as in the tradition of western democracies? With full and equal rights for all of its citizens, freedom from the coils of anachronistic religion and fully exploiting the potential of all of its citizens regardless of ethnicity and religion Israel could become even better than it is.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 10:39:59 AM
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The operative word here is, new! As in no new state! And not how spinner Singer, claims.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 10:40:44 AM
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Well Shihabi cannot be blamed for promoting what is good for his country, Saudi Arabia.

Yet Israel should consider what is good for Israel, not Saudi Arabia and Jordan should consider what is good for Jordan, not Saudi Arabia - in both cases, to be out of and have nothing to do with the West Bank and Gaza.

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Dear David F.,

«Why not make Israel a democracy?» Why not X? Why not Y?....

Because the people there do not want it - is this not a good enough reason?

For you, apparently, it is not: you seem to push for your own personal agenda, just like Shihabi...

To achieve your stated goals, I suppose you would even use force against Israel and its people, if you could, and grind it to dust like Mariupol if that is what it took to subdue them into surrender to your secular-democratic wishes.

On second thought, you are probably not to blame for these world-domineering attitudes - having been raised up in the United States of America can provide the explanation.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 2:01:15 PM
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"Chomsky on Israeli apartheid

Chomsky believes that calling Israeli policies towards the Palestinians "apartheid" is actually a "gift to Israel"; at least, if by apartheid one refers to South African-style apartheid.

"I have held for a long time that the Occupied Territories are much worse than South Africa," the professor explained. "South Africa needed its black population, it relied on them. The black population was 85 per cent of the population. It was the workforce; the country couldn't function without that population and, as a result, they tried to make their situation more or less tolerable to the international community… They were hoping for international recognition, which they didn't get."

So, if the Bantustans were, in Chomsky's opinion, "more or less livable," the same "is not true for the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. Israel just wants to get rid of the people, doesn't want them. And its policies for the past 50 years, with not much variation, have been just somehow making life unlivable, so [the Palestinian people] will go somewhere else.""

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220627-chomsky-on-israeli-apartheid-celebrity-activists-bds-and-the-one-state-solution/
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 6:22:49 PM
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Nobody in any country should be compelled to go anywhere else. Everybody in every country should have free equality with everybody else. Non-Jews in Israel will probably not have that while Israel is a Jewish state. Non-whites in Australia did not have that as long as Australia had its white only policy. Ancient Israel was not a democratic state, but it recognized that non-Jews should not be given a hard time.

The Jewish Publication society has printed an English translation of the Masoretic text, the Jewish Bible. It states:

Exodus 22:20 And a stranger shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

The word, stranger, refers to a person of a non-Jewish ethnicity. The Jewish Bible tells Jews that they should not treat non-Jews the way Jews were treated in Egypt. One could extend that to the way Jews have been mistreated in many countries where they were a minority.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 7:12:29 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Yes, the so-called "Palestinians" are not welcome in Israel, not even their labor. Is this surprising? Do you need professors to tell you that? Every Israeli government said so all along, openly, never trying to hide it.

There was a time when they were welcome, in the early 20th century, long before they called themselves "Palestinians", when they were invited to take part in the Zionist project, to be equal partners in a new modern state. This is what Theodor Herzl proposed in his book "Altneuland", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_New_Land

But instead of happily grabbing Zionism's generous offers and be considered full-fledged Israelis, the local Arabs responded with violence and terror. They showed Israel time and again that they can never be trusted (later they showed the same to Jordan) and even the very name they chose to describe themselves is a Roman anti-Israel provocative insult, so is it a wonder that nobody wants them?

The question of course, is, what is Israel doing there to begin with in that cursed land with all these not-so-nice people?

Israel does not need these areas for its security, they are in fact a burden on its security. Israel remains there only because there is a crazy fanatic Jewish sect that won't leave and is too strong for Israel to remove without an all-out civil war. The solution therefore is for Israel to get out, wash its hands and leave both these not-so-nice groups there to their own devices, to stew there in their own juices.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 30 June 2022 8:45:41 AM
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