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What does the Bible say to the USA? : Comments

By David Heeren, published 20/6/2022

The words of the prophet Hosea seemed to reach out to me from the pages of his book. It was a remarkable experience because in previous readings I had not paid much attention to what Hosea wrote.

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I'm not religious, but from what I understand the USA is the 'Whore of Babylon'.
- Beyond that I'm not sure it was ever truly founded on Bible principles.
http://tinyurl.com/5n6tpvp4
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 20 June 2022 12:18:46 PM
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"I was reading Isaiah's scriptural book when I came to the place where the prophet said he overheard a divine conversation involving the Trinitarian godhead.

Isaiah wrote that he heard one of the Three saying: "Whom shall we send? Who will go for us?" (Isaiah 6:8)"

This could be deduced from the blurred English translation, but what does the original text say?

I found this one translation that was sensitive enough to notice the nuances of the original Hebrew text:
http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/ISA+6.html

In the original text, what is translated as "Lord" is originally the uncommon construct "My Master" ("Adonai"), whereas what is translated as "LORD" is originally God's explicit name (Y-H-V-H).

A careful read indicates that Isaiah's "master", the one who sent him on his prophetic mission, could be some high-ranking angel rather than God. Isaiah saw his master in verse 1, then he heard the Seraphs' praising God and mistakenly concluded that they were praising his master, hence that he saw God (which is obviously impossible). His mistake was quickly corrected by one of the Seraphs, then Isaiah's master looked for a messenger and Isaiah volunteered. Verse 12 strengthens this conclusion when Isaiah's master responds, "until the LORD has sent everyone far away". Had God been the speaker, then He would have instead said "until I sent everyone far away".

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I then wanted to see whether the author's chapter-by-chapter claim that Hosea's criticism applies to specific American sins is accurately based on the original text. Regretfully, I didn't see the connection. Take a short chapter for example: can the author please demonstrate exactly how is Hosea chapter 6 related to the sin of Humanism?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 20 June 2022 2:38:16 PM
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What a strange article. As Yuyustu hints, its interpretation of the prophets in general and Hosea in particular is idiosyncratic, at best. It seems to bounce between the three most common ways of interpreting the prophets, to arrive at a fourth:

• They were supernaturally informed divine forecasters pointing to specific events in the far distant future; in this case, the state of 21st century America.
• They were commenting only on their own time and circumstances, have no relevance to modern conditions, and are of purely historic interest.
• They were commenting on their own time and circumstances, but were included in the canon of Scripture because human nature, politics and society are such that somewhat similar patterns emerge in different times and places and so they have enduring relevance.

The first is a fairly common view among some fundamentalists, and the second among some atheists. The third is how mainstream theologians and churches generally view the prophets. So the fact that the prophets’ analysis and warnings seem relevant today is hardly a surprise. What is a surprise, and one that doesn’t bear much scrutiny, is the close and detailed parallels David seems to find between the faults of modern America and Hosea’s critique of ancient Israel. A touch of eisegesis, I suspect
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 20 June 2022 7:01:09 PM
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Following on from Rhian and the reference to Israel I wonder what Hosea would have to say about the situation in Israel?
Meanwhile a brief line from the Bible which is especially applicable to the situation in the US with its death-saturated "culture" -

"the wages of sin is death".

And as an extension of the very real phenomenon created by sinners a brief slightly modified statement from my favorite prophetic voice - "sinners always and inevitably create hell of earth"!
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 20 June 2022 8:04:47 PM
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Alan B.

What I wanna know is what the Bible says about Thorium, mate.

Mavas
Posted by Maverick, Monday, 20 June 2022 11:28:50 PM
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from time to time some individuals may be divinely inspired,
Alan B,
Well, it may just be that they weren't sucked through the whirlpool that is modern education !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 2:02:28 AM
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