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Hungary’s PM Orbán is challenging Western democracies : Comments

By Andris Heks, published 19/4/2022

On the right, Orbán has been close to Trump and Netanyahu and on the left to Putin and Xi Jinping, all authoritarian nationalist leaders.

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Andras Smith.
Disclaimer, ?(Andras Smith = Andris Heks (assumption)!)?

Life is more and more of the same, till you die Andras.
What amuses me, is the pathetic nature of humanity that thinks otherwise.

On all sides of the Political camp are examples which point in the same direction.

Your left wing hate session against a right wing Orbán, highlights the stupid of ignoring history.

The German Nazi Party (NSDAP), originated from a small collection of drinking mates in a railway shunting yard. Look where that went.

One never knows mate, in spite of your I own history likewise originating in obscurity in the epicentre of gay rights and rainbow flags, (among other collections of anti-social clap trap), the ABC, you may too be famous one day!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 22 April 2022 8:42:23 AM
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No, different people. However, do you actually have something more substantive to state about the topic vs. speaking in negative generalities &/or shooting messengers, about what you feel?
Posted by Andras Smith, Friday, 22 April 2022 7:45:41 PM
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Andras Smith,

Andras , from the outset on this page, is a confusion with your title. Let’s clear that one up to help progress.
To whom do I address here. The author Andris Heks, Andris, or Andris Smith?
Right from the outset there is an obvious obfuscation.

Then to the heading of the article. “Hungary’s PM Orbán is challenging Western democracies”.
One would arrive very early on at a conclusion from reading the heading, this might be a positive piece with a pro-Orban intent; but no way is it that.

Moving forward as they say, there is little of its content which is actually not lifted from the song sheet of Western propaganda.
I recognise Western propaganda because, I’m bathed in the S* daylight to dark.

I look for originality, and get incensed and hostile, when I’m tricked into wasting my life investing time into reading the repetitious crap which is generally a lie and at best a half truth.

Orbán is doing most things the right way for Hungarians, thus his popularity at home.
And as for your pro-gay nonsense, that crap is anti-human; leave that in the animal world, hitch was a time before Adam and Eve when humans were in a level with animals. Humanity, prior to gay rights and rainbow flags of equality you promote with less than subtly, has moved forward: notice that word “forward”…not backwards.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 23 April 2022 7:05:50 AM
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What 'western propaganda' examples can you offer? What evidence can you offer of Hungarian media being free and independent?

Too many people in far away places hero worship autocrats nowadays absolving themselves of any responsibility.
Posted by Andras Smith, Saturday, 23 April 2022 5:03:47 PM
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ttbn Your last claim is untrue.

RHYS JONES: 'Determining who comes into your country and how is a fundamental principle everywhere in the world'... This is not the
objection to Orban. It is the banning of Muslims exclusively.

'Insisting that a father be a man and a mother a woman was simply common sense...'

Actually the majority in most Western Democracies have voted for marriage equality and for puting an end to centuries of sexual discrimination.
Most Hungarians don't endorse Orbán's discriminatory stand on sex as shown by the failure of his referendum on this. Rejecting universal human rights is hardly a model for other nations to follow.

ANDRAS SMITH: You are spot on.
'One needs to be quite ignorant or willing to avert their gaze on populist autocrats like Orban, Putin, Erdogan et al. who claim democracy and popularity by 'stacking the deck' and playing up on regional, monocultural, ageing &/or low income with socialist policies.'
Absolutely.
You rightly question the confused and bile spitting Driver Dan:
'do you actually have something more substantive to state about the topic vs. speaking in negative generalities &/or shooting messengers, about what you feel?'
Again, I agree with your question and observation Andras that: 'What evidence can you offer of Hungarian media being free and independent?
Too many people in far away places hero worship autocrats etc.'

MOX: 'leaders being labelled as autocratic outside their own countries while they are popular within'

I would take the 'the popular at home'with a grain of salt. The high popularity figures of Putin are compiled under intimidation of those surveyed if they dared to say no to the 'dear leader.' Secondly, while it is true that Orbán is popular at home, much of this was achieved in preventing a level playfield for information communication for the opposition in the national media from which the majority of Hungarians get their informatin. It is far worse in Russia and China where protesters are threatened with lengthy jail terms if they dare to protest and all opposition parties and critical views are shut down.
Posted by Andris, Saturday, 23 April 2022 5:42:08 PM
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Andris

Your a rainbow flag warrior; a terrorist!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 24 April 2022 7:29:45 AM
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