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After the Russian Invasion of the Ukraine is the United Nations still relevant? : Comments

By Christopher Michaelsen, published 4/3/2022

Other than demonstrating that the vast majority of states deplored the Russian actions, the effect of the resolution will remain limited.

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Resolutions mean nothing. The UN means nothing. The West will soon mean nothing, obsessed as it is with climate change, racism and gender-bending - everything except its security and survival.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 4 March 2022 7:26:33 AM
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Seems to me Russians are morally right helping the people of Donetsk and Luhansk stop 8 years of aggression from the US installed government In Kiev since they declared independence. Also to try and stop Ukraine joining NATO, of which the purpose of was to defend against the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact allies. The US has pushed many former Warsaw Pact member countries to join NATO after promising it should not expand after breakup of Soviet Union. Effectively aim of NATO has long been a pretext to keep the US in Europe, Russia out and Germany down. Now there are very strong precedents for Russia vetoing Security UN Security Council resolutions. Is a long list of United Nations resolutions condemning actions of what amounts to the Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine that have been vetoed by the United States, where there has long been strong Zionist influence strongly supporting a Jewish state. Important to note that many Jews are lukewarm supporters of the State of Israel and some, including Orthodox religious ones strong opponents. Seems Zionists get their main support in US from fundamentalist Christians there who believe Jews need to be in power in the Holy Land for the second coming of Christ. Then note the record of the US condemning others of allegedly dirty actions when it it is often to try and detract from them doing worse things themselves.
Posted by mox, Friday, 4 March 2022 8:47:54 AM
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What Russia demands and what she gets need to be two different things! To put it bluntly, if she gets what she wants via terror tactics, then we may as well bend over, kiss our kestas goodbye and just give the the terrorists all that they demand?

As for the UN it needs vast reform with those nations able to cooperate for the greater good lining up as the new UN with a new security council that doesn't include China or Russia along with the power to veto this or that, when there needs to be concerted and united action.

If the UN is to remain relevant, it needs to fulfil a charter to be a body of United Nations. If it no longer is able to do that? Then it needs to disband and be wound up! And the billions spent elsewhere and far more productively.

Say, on NATO and its weapons arsenal and ability to respond.

Russia's bluff and terrorist posturing needs to be called and the Ukraine admitted to NATO, yesterday! And as a member of NATO, supplied with nuclear weapons!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 4 March 2022 10:19:41 AM
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Mox, WTF has Israel the Jewish state or diaspora got to do with The totally unwarranted attack on the Ukraine?

This smells of a red herring and a very rotten one at that?

It's clearly, a garbage in garbage out comment with no relevance to the core issues being discussed.

What's next, the Russian attack on an entirely peaceful neighbour, was because the moon is made of green cheese? Putin's reasoning is even less rational than the example given!

Nobody with a functioning brain would see the Ukraine, its entry into NATO as any kind of a threat to anybody! Least of all to wartime ally, Russia!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 4 March 2022 10:39:55 AM
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Hey Alan B,
"Mox, WTF has Israel the Jewish state or diaspora got to do with The totally unwarranted attack on the Ukraine?"

- Double Standards.

Hey mox,
If you wish to in any way imply Trump was Mr. Perfect take note he moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, that certainly didn't help the Palestinian situation.
And he also intervened to keep the weapons sales going to Saudi in the war against Yemen, even after Saudi Arabia did a double tap attack using laser-guided weapons on a funeral with 400 people.

I'm not sure he started any wars;
And not that I support NATO expansion but he played along.
He said NATO funding should be cut, and ended up getting more funding from other countries for it instead.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 4 March 2022 2:05:35 PM
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It never was.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 4 March 2022 4:49:19 PM
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If our tax dollars are to serve us and our security they need focus exclusively on those outcomes! Not supporting a bickering body of fiefdoms largely controlled by warlords with blood on their hands and drug/organized crime money in their compromised pockets and the power of veto in their power addicted hands!?

We need to get back to a manufacturing economy that makes all we need right here at home, along with a price structure the importers cannot match! And very doable with the right (cooperative capitalism) policies that support just that, not quisling money grubbing fools that'll sell their souls (or the country) for an allegorical forty pieces of silver!

We need government money to replace entirely counterproductive, foreign investment! And all the nonsense idealogical imperitives, that alone, prevent just that!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:35:43 AM
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Australia should be learning from the Ukraine invasion the same thing that Germany has already learned: home grown energy means security. Germany, reliant on Russia for a good part of its energy needs, is now saying that it will have to retain fossil fuels and hang onto the nuclear generation it had foolishly decided to phase out.

Australia should belatedly realise that our energy security equals national security, too, and do away with its green energy policies and ignore its woke green capitalists.

If China and Russia do decide that this is the time to enlarge their empires, we will not stop them with Net Zero energy, wind power, battery-powered tanks, a biofuel navy, or submarines on the never-never.

The policies adopted under the guise of the target for net-zero emissions by 2050, now pursued by all major political parties, represent an existential threat to Australia’s national security in a rapidly changing world.

Australia has limited domestic production of oil, rapidly falling refining capacity and only three to four weeks supply of fuels like diesel, petrol, and avgas.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 5 March 2022 1:02:49 PM
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Australia should be learning from the Ukraine invasion the same thing that Germany has already learned:
ttbn,
Alas ! The past 40 years have not provided any evidence.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 5 March 2022 3:18:56 PM
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If we're stupid enough to hitch our energy policy to coal then our energy supplies would be the first to be attacked, if we went to war! And all they would need would be, underground fires we cannot put out Or failing that, the coal trains would be ruthlessly targeted!

Whereas, nuclear doesn't have the same problems, especially MSR thorium, given the everywhere abundance of alluvial thorium! A kid with a bucket and spade could collect enough from certain beaches to power this nation for the next 1,000 years!

We need to be freed from any energy reliance from any overseas source or local oil or gas, given just how vulnerable the supporting infrastructure would be to locally based fifth column. And there is one, to be sure!

If we're to have nuclear subs? then there needs to be a local nuclear industry and trained tech-heads able to service reactors, unless of course, we opt for coal-fired subs firing coal-fired missiles?

Of course I'm not serious but you get the point and the ridiculous reliance we have on coal and just to suit a few foreign investors, who would have a few stranded assets if we abandoned coal!?

The future is electric! And we need to be at the forefront of this future, not dragging our heels at the rear, brown nosing our way forward!?

We cannot wait on the government but need to vote with our feet and future vehicle purchases/replacements! Plus send a message to every coal-fired stalwart currently in government, by replacing them at the very first opportunity, with someone else!

We need to get real about self-reliant defense! And what we need to do to get that! And if that includes buying submarines/nuclear capacity off the shelf, now today? Then let's not pretend there's a homemade solution or option?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 6 March 2022 9:57:06 AM
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MSR Thorium,
Alan B,
Would such plants require similar size/area/cooling water as traditional nuclear power plants ?
Could MSR plants be built in numbers rather than size ? Chernobyl & Fukushima were massive plants hence the massive problems. Would smaller plants not be a safer option in case of emergency ?
Why not deploy decommissioned nuclear ships as bridging power plants until new MSR setups are operable ?
Just a thought !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 6 March 2022 10:22:44 AM
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