Dear Bazz,

«So who do you think are the occupiers ? Jews or Arabs ?»

Arabs?? What have they to do with all this?

All this occupation thing is an internal Israeli matter, with some non-Israelis, fanatic Jews and Christians also trying to interfere on account of their strange Messianic beliefs that consider the state of Israel to be some kind of a supernatural entity.

It so happens that some native Arabs also live in those areas, but they are powerless and ineffectual, not only politically and militarily but also helpless under their own corrupt leadership. These poor ordinary Arabs (whose leaders sometimes call "Palestinians") were never a side to these troubles. I wish them well (though not their leaders).

Here is the true story - Israeli Jews (I rather call them ex-Israelis because they live outside their country and work against its interests, but officially they still hold Israeli citizenship) attack, beat and wound other Israeli Jews: http://time.news/a-difficult-weekend-of-settler-violence/

Yuyutsu, You are not aware that Mohammad's successor sent the Islamic
armies into Mesopotamia, Israel, Persia and India ?
They occupied those countries and converted the populations at the
point of the sword. They killed a believed about 8 million in India.
Where are the Christians, Zoroastrians etc etc now.
The Angel Gabriel dictated the Koran to Mohammad including the verse
that land once conquered by moslems remains Islamic land forever.

For moslems to discuss ceding any land to infidels is blasphemy.
The stalemate is caused by that verse, and anyone who even discusses
giving up moslem land will be killed.

Dear Bazz,

«The Angel Gabriel dictated the Koran to Mohammad including the verse
that land once conquered by moslems remains Islamic land forever.»

You actually believe that?*@#?!%$#@!?

«For moslems to discuss ceding any land to infidels is blasphemy.»

Not for true Muslims who understand what Saint Muhammad actually taught.

But even for these false Muslims who instead believe in the Koran, ceding land is permissible when they are weak and have no other choice, which very much describes these native Arabs wrongly called "Palestinians".

Don't be silly, of course I do not believe it.
However it is an article of faith for moslems. I was just looking for
the verse number but could not find it.
There are plenty of references in Wikipeadia etc so you can satisfy yourself.
There are plenty of articles about the verse.
How can you negotiate with someone who will be killed if he agrees with you ?
Why else do you think this argument has been going on for 1400 years ?
Why else are Hindus and moslems still fighting in India ?

Dear Bazz,

«Don't be silly, of course I do not believe it.»

Neither do them - most of them anyway, except those who WISH to believe it, for reasons unrelated to religion such as greed, lust, nationalism and political gain.

«However it is an article of faith for moslems.»

Rather for those who believe in the Koran, not for true Muslims who follow the peaceful spirit of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

«I was just looking for the verse number but could not find it.»

And Muslims who are uninterested in violence do not find it either.
And if they do happen to bump into such verses, they find the right Sheikh and/or Hadith to interpret them amicably.

First comes the desire for violence, then only the choice of verses and Sheikhs to taste.

You have nothing to fear about true Islam.
You have nothing to fear about certain Islamic streams, such as the Sufis and Ahmadiyyans.
You have nothing to fear about good-hearted peaceful Islamic people.

Jesus warned to fear neither the Pharisees nor the Sadducees, only the hypocrites. Read Matthew 23.

«How can you negotiate with someone who will be killed if he agrees with you ?»

There is presently a Muslim minister in Israel's government, helping his fellow Israeli Muslims. He got there through coalition negotiations. Was he killed?