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Why we must take the vaccine : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 13/12/2021

John Ruddick in the current issue of The Statesman has published an article: 'I won't take a COVID vaccine. Here's why'. It is a pseudo-philosophical argument.

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Some don't see a "moral" obligation to get vaccinated so, do they then agree that the vaccinated also don't have a moral obligation to treat them when they get ill ?
It certainly would solve a lot of problems !
Posted by individual, Monday, 13 December 2021 4:18:42 PM
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Taking vaccines for COVID-19 is a good and proper thing to do and only few, I believe, would think otherwise.

But "take the vaccine" as the author worded it, is problematic in the least and it is not so clear-cut whether overall the benefits outweigh the evils. After weighing the pros and cons I have taken it, but I would be so much happier if I could take COVID vaccines without taking "the vaccine".

Because the term "the vaccine" is not that innocent: it does not simply refer generally to any COVID-19 vaccine, but specifically implies the government-supplied vaccine(s): why should I accept my vaccine(s) specifically from their dirty hands rather than be able to buy my own? Why should I have to let that filthy body know that I received it/them, which vaccine(s), how and when?

Even if taking COVID-19 vaccines is a moral obligation, accepting it from such immoral bodies as states/governments, is not, and is a moral stain.

(besides, it is the state which for long months prevented us from obtaining any COVID vaccines and which still to date restricts which vaccines we may have and when)

Speaking of Ahimsa, which I as a Hindu embrace (and which on its own only means the avoidance of harm, not necessarily positive acts of compassion which are dealt with elsewhere), I must protest the author's poor example of King Solomon. While states/kings in general cause more harm (himsa) than individuals and viruses combined, the particular example of that immoral butcher is so outstanding and outrageous, who in a Stalin-like regime of horror enslaved and brought on such bitter sufferings on the people of both Israel and all surrounding countries.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 13 December 2021 4:36:50 PM
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Dear JP,

I like your first post. Thanks.

Your questions are of course hypothetical in nature because we do in reality live in God's cosmos rather than in some arbitrary chaos.

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Dear Individual,

«Some don't see a "moral" obligation to get vaccinated so, do they then agree that the vaccinated also don't have a moral obligation to treat them when they get ill ?»

First, I must assume that the people you refer to are in fact unvaccinated, rather than just those who happen to have differing moral convictions.

Anyway, even while I am vaccinated, I do not hold that it is anybody's moral duty to treat me if I get ill.
Now if somebody chooses, though not morally obliged, to treat me (with my consent), then may God bless them!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 13 December 2021 4:52:48 PM
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Too many are encouraged think that Covid and health responses are simply a personal choice, without any need to consider community, society any sensible state/govt. response (while ignoring egregious state intervention and/or roting that does not affect them, or ignorant of).

A consistent theme in the Anglosphere and related, e.g. authoritarian regimes, is to downplay Covid and deny science while aggressively (and sometimes in a threatening way) promoting personal 'freedom & liberty'; sounds like the imported US cult of Koch and Buchanan's 'public choice theory'?

Austria's recently acting Chancellor (of the right) voiced the frustration of the majority in asking 'why does the majority of vaccinated lose its 'freedom' due to a noisy and unvaccinated minority?

Interesting how some authoritarian regimes can introduce restrictions, mandates etc. but attract neither 'freedom protests' nor complain e.g. Hungary?

Why does it appear that 'freedom protests' only target sensible centre right through left governments? Surely it's not political?
Posted by Andras Smith, Monday, 13 December 2021 7:08:16 PM
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Mr Bowden has given no objective or medical reason as to why we should all submit to the Covid vaccine.
What are we protecting ourselves from? The numbers as given to us by the various State Health Departments have been clear. Fewer than 10% of the Australian population are at risk of contracting the virus. Of these, less than 10% either have, or will, require medical assistance.
Over 90% of those who contract the virus will fully recover and come through with a greater resistance to future infection than any if the vaccines can offer.
As the accepted figures show, over 90% of those who succumb to the virus have three things in common, over the age of 60, are obese and suffer from diabetes.
The adverse health reactions among the under 60's from the vaccines are far more dangerous to an otherwise healthy person than the remote possibility of an infection with the SARS-Cov2 virus and it's family of mutants.
Doing something simply because a Government body tells us to do so without seeing the science is never a good idea.
As the deaths in Australia have been very obvious, it is a very limited cohort who have been at risk and generally easily identified. It is not for the crowds to keep away from them, but for them to keep away from the crowds. (Though as the facts revealed, none of that cohort of victims were in a situation where they could have mixed with any crowd.)
If you wish to get vaccinated, do so, but do not try and act in a superior manner against any who do not do so.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Monday, 13 December 2021 8:37:52 PM
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Being vaccinated doesn't stop one from catching the virus.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop one from spreading the virus.

Being vaccinated does one thing and one thing only - it reduces the severity of the virus if the vaccinated happens to catch the virus. So the vaccine benefits the recipient and no one else.

Being unvaccinated affects no one other than the individual unvaccinated himself. The unvaccinated is no more likely to catch the virus than the vaccinated. The unvaccinated are no more likely to spread the virus than the vaccinated.

Therefore the entire issue is a personal choice. Clearly there is a risk (albeit massively small) that the vaccine can be dangerous. The individual has the right to decide whether to take that risk.

Governments the world over are desperate to convince their populations that the vaccine is the only way out of the societal upheavals of the pandemic. But the societal upheavals were caused by government. This can never be admitted. Government can't simply admit that the lockdowns etc were a policy error. But they can't continue the lockdowns indefinitely. The vaccine is the way they seek to escape the corner they painted themselves into.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 13 December 2021 9:19:51 PM
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