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Political Christians or Christians in politics? : Comments

By Greg Bondar, published 16/11/2021

The attacks on the recently elected NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet have once raised the media bias against Christians in politics.

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Thank you for your article Greg.
Posted by LesP, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:05:51 AM
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Christian politicians have every right to express whatever view they like. They are obviously appealing to enough given they were elected.

However, the parliament, with each MP having his or her own views and values, may vote to override the policy preferences help by Christian MPs.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:16:53 AM
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Of course Christians should run for political office. I am not a Christian, but I believe in mainly Christian principles. The western world was built around mostly good Christian principles. And these principles allowed our civilisation to become the most modern, prosperous, and fairest society ever invented.

Greg is right to be concerned about Christian persecution by the left. Leftist ideology is a religion in itself. It is a jealous religion which demands adherence by everybody, or else. It hates Christianity because it is a rival religion, and most of the good aspects of leftism that exist, they borrowed from the Christians.

They don't want people reminded of that, they want to pretend that the all their good ideas (which they routinely violate) are leftists ideas. Hence the near hatred the left has for the west's primary and founding religion.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:35:35 AM
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Lego, were the ancient Greeks Christian?

I thought the origin of Western civilisation began with the Ancient Greeks.

I think it would be fair to say that Western civilisation gets a lot of its ideas from many cultures, but that Christianity dominated for much of the period.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:42:38 AM
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Perhaps the fact that Dominic is closely associated with the very right-wing cult Opus Dei with which he is closely associated. Its followers are a tiny minority of Christians both here in Australia or the world altogether. As such it in no way represents the majority of Christians either in Australia or the world altogether
As such it seems to me this should be an area of concern for the policies that he promotes and the necessary criticism of him.

Opus Dei (the "work of God") is primarily a power-and-control-seeking political entity. Never mind too that it is totally impossible for sinners, who are intrinsically Godless, to do the Work of God

This website provides a comprehensive description of Opus Dei.
http://www.odan.org

Sin is the present time dramatization of separation from the Living Divine Reality. There is no Real Existence until sin is transcended. Everything a sinner does is a dramatization of his or her sin, and only reinforces his or her sinful nature.

All actions and all states of presumed knowledge and experience are empty, painful, problematic, and sinful until the presumption of separation from The Living Divine Reality is utterly transcended.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:50:10 AM
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And Lego, I think many of the ideas that influenced Western civilisation, through art and philosophy, ideas that challenged the backwards church structure, also came from the Greeks and Romans who have very different Gods.

Too many people somehow associate the West with Christianity, but I think it is a bot more complex than that given the Church's view of the world for a long period was pretty backward.

And when we break it down even further, the Ancients were also a pretty backwards lot.

For me, Western civilisation is about taking good ideas and discarding the bs.

For me the West is the best, forget the rest, and that Christianity is just part of the West's historical experience contributing its own version of a moral code
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:50:30 AM
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Perrottet's religion is less important than the fact that he has quickly disabused people of his political conservatism. He is a wet, like most right of centre politicians these days.

As for media "bias" against Christians - pshaw! I regard myself as Christian, but I'm starting to believe that politicians professing to be Christian tend to use that status, real or not, to hide behind; and, frankly, to fool people who think that Christians, or people describing themselves as such, are automatically 'good'.

The author says, " I am convinced that Church and State are inseparable".

The law says differently. Besides, organised religion in this country is moribund - has been ever since it swapped saving souls for amateurish progressive politics.

And now, complaining about "discrimination", playing the victim, is the only way to get attention.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 9:53:58 AM
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Extreme right-wing politics and Christianity are mutually incompatible ideologies! Anyone can remember and read scripture on a Sunday! But that's not what a Christian is, by definition! A Christian is one who follows the golden rule in deed, not a hypocrites words! And if the cap fits?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 16 November 2021 10:42:19 AM
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With 7 little consumers of the Earth`s limited resources he is no more than an Environmental Vandal.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 11:03:34 AM
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Daffy Duck, I
I have to don’t know any of your other attributes, but you sure can pick a pseudonym.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 12:40:47 PM
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An addition to my note on the intrinsic Godlessness of sinners.

Sinners always create hell on Earth!

Have you really read the news?

This essay describes how they do it : note the unspeakably vile sado-masochistic snuff/splatter movie which is the focus of this essay. A movie in which the "hero" representing every individual human being and humankind is systematically beaten to death
http://www.logosjournal.com/hammer_kellner.htm

Gibson's father was an extreme right wing Christian.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 1:01:09 PM
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Yes you would have to truly daft or even psychotic to believe in what Opus Dei promotes.

The Little Black Duck along with Zippy the Pinhead, all of Gilbert Shelton comics including Fat Freddy's Cat, and those of Robert Crumb too are my favorite cartoon characters
http://www.zippythepinhead.com
http://www.crumbproducts.com
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 1:23:43 PM
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Hi Chris. I would just love to debate you on that point. But when I tried to engage with you on your own topic, you dismissed all of my many posts to you with sneery one liners, or curt replies. You neither answered any of my many questions or elaborated on any of your airy declarations.

So pisss up a rope.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 2:18:32 PM
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Contrary to ttbn Jesus who is sometimes and quite rightly called The Prince of Peace, and The Light of the World was of course completely "wet".

Two of the original "wet" documents at the root of Christianity and therefore Western culture altogether are of course Jesus's Sermon on the Mount and The Beatitudes.

But who was the Real Jesus? Was he even in any sense like the kind of Jesus as promoted by those on the right side of the culture wars, including the author of the featured essay and of course Opus Dei? And all Christians of any persuasion too.

That having been said why not read the pdf version of the 572 page book titled The Real Christ by the extraordinary Christian Comtemplative Bernadette Roberts http://freddieyam.com/down/roberts.real-christ.pdf

Which is as far removed from the (mis)understanding of Jesus promoted by the right wing culture war warriors.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 2:36:59 PM
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Hey Lego, it is ok to admit you are wrong.

Western civilisation never started with Christianity
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:10:35 PM
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