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On IQ tests as an indicator of intelligence, I'm not convinced they are the be all and end all in that regard, but they are a significantly useful tool for measuring aptitude, the ordered processing of the human brain. The old putting the round pegs in the round holes ability thing.

An analogy; Outside my local fruit market he has bins of various fruits for sale, apples, pears, rockmelons etc, in each case the price is good, being the shop specials, so price is only a weak determinate for choice. There is no test that I the customer can apply to quantify the desirability of one against the other, are apples a better choice than pears etc. I only have a subjective test of "which one I prefer" to make that ultimate choice. I chose the apples over the pears, rockmelons a poor third choice, that's not to say that apples are superior overall to pears, but in my mind they are, I have applied the "choice test", to someone else it maybe a different result with the same "choice test". Then of course I have to go though the bin to pick out the nicer apples from the marked ones, another choice, but there I could apply a practical test. But at no time is a nice looking pear inferior to a half rotten apple, but I still choose apples, but not the rotten ones. Looking at intelligence is like that, sorry my analogy was not clearer. BTW I get home and the wife says; "You got apples again, you know I like pears...."Sorry, but he didn't have any pears today, maybe next time".

To paul1405

I don't know what you are trying to say with your bizarre "examples?"

In all races there are a small proportion of people with very low intelligence, a significant minority with low intelligence, the vast majority with "average" intelligence, a significant minority with high intelligence, and a small proportion with very high intelligence. The problem is that comparing races in a graph reveals that
these "bell curves" are displaced. The "average" intelligence of races differs. Even within African races, the western Africans are considered smarter than the east Africans, especially Africans from Somalia and Sudan. Smart black African people include Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Sydney Poitier, Morgan Freeman, Candice Owen, Tom Bongino, and maybe even Martin Luther King.

Trump is smart and a billionaire. Obama is smart, although I don't think he is as smart as Trump. Obama's mother was white so he is a "coloured." Even in Apartheid South Africa, "coloured" people were considered smarter that full blooded black Africans. I once had a "coloured" South African apprentice who was so smart he ended up being my boss.

One reason for Australian state and federal governments removing half caste aboriginal children from tribal situations was because the Australian authorities considered the half caste kids smart enough to educate. Another was to prevent the very racist aboriginal men from murdering the "yeller fellas."

In regards to your implication that IQ tests are inaccurate because the tests might mean different things to different races, this was a charge that the cognitive matriclans investigated. Needing to justify the accuracy of their science, cognitive matriclans set about designing tests addressing their critics concerns. The results from the new tests simply confirmed that the old tests were accurate.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no scientific controversy among cognitive matriclans to the fact that different races have different most common IQ scores. If their finding are false, then a Nobel prize and international acclaim awaits any cognitive matriclan who can prove your belief, that all races have equal intelligence.

That is never going to happen.

Hi again LEGO,

Are you confusing intelligence with aptitude, and are you discounting environmental factor when determining intelligence. Example peoples ability to ride a bike is not simply intelligence based, aptitude is more important, given all are physically the same.

Intelligence; The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

aptitude; A natural ability to do something.

IQ teat; Measures reasoning and problem-solving abilities.

There is an overrider with IQ testing, the age factor, as we get older are we getting more intelligent up to a point.

If I take 3 children of the same age, physically the same, children who have never seen a bicycle in their life, and I give them an identical machine each. I say now teach yourself to ride the bike, can you guarantee the child who learns to ride first is the most intelligent, and the one who is the slowest is the least intelligent, based on IQ testing, that's what it tells me? Maybe aptitude is an important factor as well. I believe a teacher once wrote on Einstein lacked intelligence based on his aptitude for school work.

Very true Paul.

I read once that the Jews in the US long ago scored below average iqs, yet within one generation they reversed the situation.

I am hoping that your comments are no lot on Lego as most of us, of all races, can learn from logical argument.

Hi yourself, paul1405

I think I must be making progress with you, if you have given up denying that different races have different bell curves of intelligence, and you are now tying yourself up in knots trying to rationalise around what you do not want to focus on.

You now appear to be saying that intelligence is unimportant. if this is not what you implied in your last post then write plainly. Write "I think this, or that" "Here is my supporting argument."

Of course intelligence is important. Throughout history, smart people have been prized as assets by those in authority. Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Galileo all said and did things in their lives that should have got them burned at the stake, but authorities of the time knew that you do not waste brains.

Smart people who do smart things are prized, and dumb people who do dumb things are sneered at by everyone, except today's leftists who see the ever growing numbers of dumb people as their future voters. Smart people are a pleasure to teach. Dumb people are a real chore to teach. Given equality of resources, smart generals will beat dumb generals every time.

A natural aptitude to do anything is a type of high intelligence. Cognitive metricians actually talk about "intelligences" as there are many forms of intelligence. Social intelligence. Athletic intelligence. Mathematical intelligence. Literary intelligence. Emotional intelligence, and musical intelligence. People who have high general intelligence in everything are considered to be very intelligent. Those who's intelligence is focussed in one direction only can still be considered intelligent, if a little kooky and bumbling in other areas of life. Such characters are popular figures of fun in popular culture.

But the over all rule is, that those with high intelligence, either focussed or general, usually do very well in life. Those who have low intelligence almost always do poorly in life. And human intelligence can be heritable and is measurable.