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EU will defund UNRWA for using PA textbooks inciting Jew-hatred : Comments

By David Singer, published 6/10/2021

EU funding will instead go to organisations that 'have a proven track record of promoting educational initiatives in school settings for children designed to foster tolerance'.

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Excellent!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:27:27 AM
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About time.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 11:44:32 AM
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Good, but why is the cartoon absent?
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 2:59:25 PM
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What a crock as usual from Singer.

Here is a little less biased a point of view.

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-no-palestinian-textbooks-are-not-antisemitic-1.10103745
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 3:11:24 PM
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#SteeleRedux

I took the trouble to read the article you cited and note that the author wrote this:
"Palestinian textbooks do contain examples of antisemitism, incitement to violence, glorification of violence and dehumanization of Jews or Israelis, but according to the researchers their frequency is limited"

With respect to that author and the researchers he quoted - there should not be even one such example in Palestinian school textbooks and if they are found - they should be trashed and reprinted with the offensive parts omitted.

The researchers referred to in this article were not the researchers I referred to in my article - nor did the author of the article seek to quote even one example of the supposedly "limited frequency" with which such Jew-hating statements appeared in the textbooks.

I have on the other hand provided readers with specific examples of what actually appears in these textbooks, they are very extensive and spread through various grades.

200 maps that do not show "Israel" on them is a shocking indictment of a school educational system that is clearly designed to poison young minds.

Encouraging Jihad and martyrdom to kill Jews has no place in any education curriculum.

Jew-hatred in Palestinian textbooks highlighted with the specific examples I provided in my article needs to be called out, condemned and removed.

Your attempt to try and excuse the inexcusable is shocking and disgraceful.

Textbooks are meant to educate - not brainwash and indoctrinate.

Shame on you.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 6:59:55 PM
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Full of crap.

"Any peaceful resolution of the 100-years old Jewish-Arab conflict seems further away than ever whilst PA textbooks inciting Jewish-Israeli hatred continue to poison young peoples' minds."

If you're going to mention one part of the problem you may as well mention the other.

'God gave it to us'
Their hate is simply a reaction to your subjugation.

Your 'peaceful' resolution to the conflict is sending them all to Jordan or murdering them all so you can have the whole lot for yourselves.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:00:47 PM
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Dear Critic,

«Full of crap.

"Any peaceful resolution of the 100-years old Jewish-Arab conflict seems further away than ever whilst PA textbooks inciting Jewish-Israeli hatred continue to poison young peoples' minds."
»

Why, you quoted only the last paragraph of the article, its conclusion, which is indeed crap, rather than the rest of the article which are true facts.

The conclusion is crap because there is no such "100-years old Jewish-Arab conflict": a non-existent conflict cannot be resolved by any means, peaceful or otherwise.

«'God gave it to us'»

Only a minority of Israelis believe so.
And they are not the ones who conquered and occupied the West Bank in 1967.
The 1967 war was won by a cynical atheist Labor government, not by believing Jews.

Those who do believe that God gave the land to the Israelites, also understand from the Bible that this gift is conditional on observing God's commandments, that should they fail to observe them, God will take the land away from them, as indeed happened.

«Their hate is simply a reaction to your subjugation.»

I would also hate anyone who subjugated me, but there was no subjugation (other than British) in Hebron, 1929, when that hate first erupted.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 11:37:45 PM
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SR,

David's got your number. Not only were you trying to misrepresent a report, but in doing so proved that not only were you completely wrong but were exactly what I thought you were.

That both the UNRWA funded PLO and Hamas unashamedly sponsoring the murder of Israeli women and children should be a point of shame for those antisemites that focus solely on Israel's faults.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 7 October 2021 7:35:55 AM
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#Armchair Critic

Your Jew-hatred is clearly exposed in your comment which makes no mention of the following international decisions which confirmed the right of the Jewish People to reconstitute their ancient and biblical national home:
1. The 1920 San Remo Conference
2. The 1920 Treaty of Sevres
3. The 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine
4. The 1937 Peel Commission
5. Article 80 UN Charter
6. The 1947 UN Partition Resolution
7. The admission of Israel to the UN in 1949

You are apparently very disturbed at the successful quest by the Jews over the last 100 years to prevail against the murderous attempts by the Arabs to wipe out the Jews reconstituting their Jewish National Home in accordance with these international decisions on a piece of real estate that is one third the size of Tasmania.

One Jewish state among 57 Arab and Islamic States in the world is too much for you to apparently stomach.

What motivates you to hate the Jews so much?

#Yuyutsu

To claim that there is "no 100-years old Jewish-Arab conflict" is laughable and completely ignores what has been one of the longest unresolved conflicts in the world.

Slowly the Arab opposition to the Jews having their own State has been eroded by the Peace Treaties with Egypt (1979), Jordan (1994), and the Abraham Accords (2020) - but Arab-hatred of the Jews still persists as evidenced by the shocking textbooks used by the Palestinian Arabs to educate their children and the PLO and Hamas Charters which call for the elimination of the Jewish State.

BTW - Arab hatred against Jews returning to live in Palestine did not first erupt in Hebron with the massacre of 67 Jews in 1929. In 1920 the first Arab riots after British rule had begun took place. First with an attack on Tel Hai and Metula, followed by three days of riots in Jerusalem when 5 Jews were murdered. In 1921 47 Jews were killed by Arabs rioting in Jaffa and the surrounding area.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 7 October 2021 9:11:52 AM
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Shadowminister,

Your simpering renditions from the ultra zionist playbook really are getting old.

Speaking of children where was your condemnation of this?

“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the "shocking images" displayed in a video recently seized by police, which shows Orthodox youths at a Jerusalem wedding dancing with guns and knives, stabbing a photo of Ali Dawabsheh, the toddler who was killed in the Duma firebomb attack that killed three members of the Dawabsheh family this past summer.”

Not only did these individuals conduct themselves in this manner the substantial crowd did nothing to stop them.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/video-hilltop-youth-stab-photo-of-dawabsheh-baby-at-wedding-1.5381297

Singer,

Really? Are you going to sit there and claim that not recognising Israel and claiming Palestine for the Palestinians is anti-Semitic?

My god you really have no shame.

How many times have you declined to even use the word Palestinian and how often have you claimed Israel was from the river to the sea? How often have you claimed Palestinians to be Jordanian?

Given that the Palestinians are Semitic aren't you a deep and unapologetic example of an anti-Semite?

As to the the article it clearly states “No, Palestinian Textbooks Are Not Antisemitic - A new study unequivocally refutes the accusation made by right-wing Israeli organizations”.

Your record for quoting from right-wing Israeli organisations is extensive.

It should be noted “In Israeli textbooks, 76% of maps show no boundaries between Palestinian territories and Israel, and Palestinian areas are not labelled.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/04/israeli-palestinian-textbooks-borders

Since this is something flagged as antisemitic when Palestinians do the reverse what do we call it when Israelis do it?

What a crap and myopic article as usual from you.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 October 2021 9:45:51 AM
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Dear David,

«To claim that there is "no 100-years old Jewish-Arab conflict" is laughable and completely ignores what has been one of the longest unresolved conflicts in the world.»

Are you perhaps trying to refer to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Israel is not "the Jews": it is an independent country belonging to its citizens (some of them happen to be Jewish to different degrees, others not, some are even Arab); nor are the so-called "Palestinians", "the Arabs". In fact, "Palestinians" only comprise about 1.1% of the Arabs (4.8 million Palestinians compared with 436 million Arabs).

As you acknowledged, Israel's relationship with the Arabs has been recently improving in leaps and bounds. The "Palestinian" Arabs, however, that 1.1% minority, prefer (for their own internal reasons) to maintain their conflict with Israel going: that is their choice and they suffer greatly for it. For Israel this brings some inconvenience but is not a serious threat.

You responded to Armchair Critic: «One Jewish state among 57 Arab and Islamic States in the world is too much for you to apparently stomach.»

There is not even one Jewish state existing at the moment: there is just one state, Israel, which has a limited number of Jewish characteristics, which could be strengthened or weakened at any time at the will of its citizens.

If, however, you want to establish a Jewish state in that region then you are more than welcome - the West Bank is waiting for you, so long as you are willing to go there and do the job in person, rather than attempt to demand Israel to do it for you.

«BTW - Arab hatred against Jews returning to live in Palestine did not first erupt in Hebron with the massacre of 67 Jews in 1929. In 1920...»

This only strengthens my argument to Armchair Critic: here is a case of hatred without subjugation.

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Dear SteeleRedux,

«It should be noted “In Israeli textbooks, 76% of maps show no boundaries between Palestinian territories and Israel»

I appreciate correct and constructive criticism of Israel where it is due, like in this excellent example.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 7 October 2021 12:33:09 PM
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Steele,
You seem to be among those who see the issue as one of Israel versus Palestine.
Try instead looking at it as those who want peace versus those who don't.
There are many people, both in Israel and Palestine, who would prefer war as they regard it as more conducive to their ultimate victory. So they engage in provocations to ensure the other side hate them and will want to follow suit. That makes peace more difficult, but no less worthwhile.

When you look at it from the perspective of wanting peace, there is absolutely nothing wrong with David's article, but plenty wrong with the one you provided a link to. Even if an anti-Jewish bias on the Palestinian side is understandable, it is NOT acceptable. And if there are also problems with Israeli textbooks, fixing them should be a response, not a prerequisite, to fixing the problems with Palestinian textbooks.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 7 October 2021 1:26:49 PM
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SR,

Your snivelling echos of Hamas talking points is disgracefully antisemitic. As for the extremist stabbing a photo seriously?

How about:

"From the beginning of the second intifada at the end of September 2000 through the end of September 2017, Palestinians killed 813 Israeli civilians, including 135 minors (children and teens under the age of 18). Of these casualties, 522 – including 87 minors – were killed within Israel’s sovereign territory and 291, including 48 minors, were killed in the Occupied Territories.

The incidents in which these civilians were killed include suicide bombings, shootings and stabbing attacks perpetrated by Palestinians in populated areas and buses; incidents in which Palestinians threw stones at people and cars; and firing of rockets and mortar shells by Palestinian organizations in the Gaza Strip at civilian communities in Israel.

Various Palestinian organizations offer different arguments in an attempt to justify the targeting of Israeli civilians, including that “all is fair” in the fight against the occupation, or that the illegality of the settlements justifies targeting settlers.

These arguments are baseless and untenable. Attacks that target civilians subvert every human, moral and legal norm. There is no justification for the wilful killing of civilians, nor can there be. That is why international humanitarian law defines such attacks as grave breaches that constitute war crimes and cannot be justified, whatever the circumstances."
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 7 October 2021 2:02:52 PM
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Dear Aidan,

No I see the issue as one of a people being subjected to an illegal military occupation and the movement of people from that occupying power to illegally settle on occupied land, something which is a recognised serious breach of international law and a war crime.

In what part of that scenario do you see any 'ultimate victory' for the Palestinians?

And what greater provocation could there be than having your land invaded and settled by those who show absolutely no intention of ever leaving all the while further land confiscations continue unabated?

In the face of that what measures do you in your wisdom deem acceptable? Was 'Bomber Harris's carpet bombing of Germany's population centres acceptable? Was the nuking of Japanese cities the same?

For you to sit there and claim an equivalence between the situation of the Israelis and the Palestinians and what is justifiable behaviour rings very hollow.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Shadowminister,

Well now you are quoting B'Tselem? I thought they were staffed by too many Palestinians to be trusted. Well let me do the same.

These were civilian homes often directly targeted by Israelis.

“During the fighting in Gaza, dozens of residences were bombed while residents were at home. The following infographic lists members of families killed in their homes in 72 incidents of bombing or shelling. In these incidents, 547 people were killed, including 125 women under the age of 60, 250 minors, and 29 people over the age of 60.”
http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/201407_families

Your figures were from a 17 year timeframe. These are from just 2 months.

Minors killed Israeli – 135
Minors killed Palestinian - 250

What is your point?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 October 2021 3:55:20 PM
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#SteeleRedux

My article deals with the Palestinian Arab text books currently being used by UNRWA in the schools it presently runs and the shocking conclusion its researchers come to:
“There is a systematic insertion of violence, martyrdom and jihad across all grades and subjects. Extreme nationalism and Islamist ideologies are widespread throughout the curriculum, including science and math textbooks. The possibility of peace with Israel is rejected. Any historical Jewish presence in the modern-day territories of Israel and the Palestinian Authority is entirely omitted from the textbooks.”

Now you seek to muddy the waters by digging up an article from 2013 - which has no relevance to today's textbooks.

Stick to what is happening right now.

The verdict delivered by the European Parliament on these current Arab textbooks is clear and unequivocal:
"Should there be no change, appropriations in reserve shall be used for funding Palestinian NGOs that have a proven track record of promoting educational initiatives in school settings for children designed to foster tolerance, coexistence and respect towards the Jewish-Israeli 'other'."

You choose to run off in a thousand different directions trying to shoot the messenger and ignore the message whilst falsely denigrating Israel and delegitimising its people. I do not intend to be drawn into that game of distraction.

Your Jew-hating credentials are out there for all to see as you seek to justify the content in these textbooks which has aroused the anger of the European Parliament.

Why do you hate the Jews so much that you cannot condemn - but continue to seek to defend - these textbooks and their vile content?
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 7 October 2021 9:59:19 PM
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SR,

So you agree with:

"Attacks that target civilians subvert every human, moral and legal norm. There is no justification for the wilful killing of civilians, nor can there be. That is why international humanitarian law defines such attacks as grave breaches that constitute war crimes and cannot be justified, whatever the circumstances."

I deliberately used your reference against you. This is not an article as the vast majority of articles are written by Palestinians with a one-sided bias that suits you.

I agree with David that your antisemite credentials are well established.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 October 2021 9:53:20 AM
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Steele,
>In what part of that scenario do you see any 'ultimate victory' for the Palestinians?
I don't. But unfortunately there are Palestinian terrorists and warmongers who do.

>And what greater provocation could there be than having your land invaded and settled by those who show
>absolutely no intention of ever leaving all the while further land confiscations continue unabated?
Artillery bombardment, for a start.

>In the face of that what measures do you in your wisdom deem acceptable?
Not my own wisdom, but the wisdom of Christ. And the answer is peaceful defiance.

>Was 'Bomber Harris's carpet bombing of Germany's population centres acceptable?
The question of what's acceptable in a hot war is VERY different to what's acceptable during the subsequent occupation. But in hindsight I think it's safe to say that it should not have been acceptable.

>Was the nuking of Japanese cities the same?
On balance I think I'd have to say no; it was acceptable as it was preferable to the ongoing firebombing that was the default alternative, and it did bring the war to a rapid conclusion.

>For you to sit there and claim an equivalence between the situation of the Israelis
>and the Palestinians and what is justifiable behaviour rings very hollow.
Why? There are such huge faults on both sides that neither can rightfully claim the moral high ground (though both hypocritically try). Turning a blind eye to the evils of only one side makes your opinion practically worthless, but more importantly, focussing on blame is unproductive and only perpetuates the cycle of destruction, harming both Israel and Palestine. But it doesn't have to be this way! If instead we focus on making peace, both sides will ultimately benefit.

>Tell me where I am wrong.
You're wrong to choose ongoing destruction over peace.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:33:41 PM
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