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EU will defund UNRWA for using PA textbooks inciting Jew-hatred : Comments

By David Singer, published 6/10/2021

EU funding will instead go to organisations that 'have a proven track record of promoting educational initiatives in school settings for children designed to foster tolerance'.

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SR,

Your snivelling echos of Hamas talking points is disgracefully antisemitic. As for the extremist stabbing a photo seriously?

How about:

"From the beginning of the second intifada at the end of September 2000 through the end of September 2017, Palestinians killed 813 Israeli civilians, including 135 minors (children and teens under the age of 18). Of these casualties, 522 – including 87 minors – were killed within Israel’s sovereign territory and 291, including 48 minors, were killed in the Occupied Territories.

The incidents in which these civilians were killed include suicide bombings, shootings and stabbing attacks perpetrated by Palestinians in populated areas and buses; incidents in which Palestinians threw stones at people and cars; and firing of rockets and mortar shells by Palestinian organizations in the Gaza Strip at civilian communities in Israel.

Various Palestinian organizations offer different arguments in an attempt to justify the targeting of Israeli civilians, including that “all is fair” in the fight against the occupation, or that the illegality of the settlements justifies targeting settlers.

These arguments are baseless and untenable. Attacks that target civilians subvert every human, moral and legal norm. There is no justification for the wilful killing of civilians, nor can there be. That is why international humanitarian law defines such attacks as grave breaches that constitute war crimes and cannot be justified, whatever the circumstances."
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 7 October 2021 2:02:52 PM
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Dear Aidan,

No I see the issue as one of a people being subjected to an illegal military occupation and the movement of people from that occupying power to illegally settle on occupied land, something which is a recognised serious breach of international law and a war crime.

In what part of that scenario do you see any 'ultimate victory' for the Palestinians?

And what greater provocation could there be than having your land invaded and settled by those who show absolutely no intention of ever leaving all the while further land confiscations continue unabated?

In the face of that what measures do you in your wisdom deem acceptable? Was 'Bomber Harris's carpet bombing of Germany's population centres acceptable? Was the nuking of Japanese cities the same?

For you to sit there and claim an equivalence between the situation of the Israelis and the Palestinians and what is justifiable behaviour rings very hollow.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Shadowminister,

Well now you are quoting B'Tselem? I thought they were staffed by too many Palestinians to be trusted. Well let me do the same.

These were civilian homes often directly targeted by Israelis.

“During the fighting in Gaza, dozens of residences were bombed while residents were at home. The following infographic lists members of families killed in their homes in 72 incidents of bombing or shelling. In these incidents, 547 people were killed, including 125 women under the age of 60, 250 minors, and 29 people over the age of 60.”
http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/201407_families

Your figures were from a 17 year timeframe. These are from just 2 months.

Minors killed Israeli – 135
Minors killed Palestinian - 250

What is your point?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 October 2021 3:55:20 PM
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#SteeleRedux

My article deals with the Palestinian Arab text books currently being used by UNRWA in the schools it presently runs and the shocking conclusion its researchers come to:
“There is a systematic insertion of violence, martyrdom and jihad across all grades and subjects. Extreme nationalism and Islamist ideologies are widespread throughout the curriculum, including science and math textbooks. The possibility of peace with Israel is rejected. Any historical Jewish presence in the modern-day territories of Israel and the Palestinian Authority is entirely omitted from the textbooks.”

Now you seek to muddy the waters by digging up an article from 2013 - which has no relevance to today's textbooks.

Stick to what is happening right now.

The verdict delivered by the European Parliament on these current Arab textbooks is clear and unequivocal:
"Should there be no change, appropriations in reserve shall be used for funding Palestinian NGOs that have a proven track record of promoting educational initiatives in school settings for children designed to foster tolerance, coexistence and respect towards the Jewish-Israeli 'other'."

You choose to run off in a thousand different directions trying to shoot the messenger and ignore the message whilst falsely denigrating Israel and delegitimising its people. I do not intend to be drawn into that game of distraction.

Your Jew-hating credentials are out there for all to see as you seek to justify the content in these textbooks which has aroused the anger of the European Parliament.

Why do you hate the Jews so much that you cannot condemn - but continue to seek to defend - these textbooks and their vile content?
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 7 October 2021 9:59:19 PM
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SR,

So you agree with:

"Attacks that target civilians subvert every human, moral and legal norm. There is no justification for the wilful killing of civilians, nor can there be. That is why international humanitarian law defines such attacks as grave breaches that constitute war crimes and cannot be justified, whatever the circumstances."

I deliberately used your reference against you. This is not an article as the vast majority of articles are written by Palestinians with a one-sided bias that suits you.

I agree with David that your antisemite credentials are well established.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 October 2021 9:53:20 AM
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Steele,
>In what part of that scenario do you see any 'ultimate victory' for the Palestinians?
I don't. But unfortunately there are Palestinian terrorists and warmongers who do.

>And what greater provocation could there be than having your land invaded and settled by those who show
>absolutely no intention of ever leaving all the while further land confiscations continue unabated?
Artillery bombardment, for a start.

>In the face of that what measures do you in your wisdom deem acceptable?
Not my own wisdom, but the wisdom of Christ. And the answer is peaceful defiance.

>Was 'Bomber Harris's carpet bombing of Germany's population centres acceptable?
The question of what's acceptable in a hot war is VERY different to what's acceptable during the subsequent occupation. But in hindsight I think it's safe to say that it should not have been acceptable.

>Was the nuking of Japanese cities the same?
On balance I think I'd have to say no; it was acceptable as it was preferable to the ongoing firebombing that was the default alternative, and it did bring the war to a rapid conclusion.

>For you to sit there and claim an equivalence between the situation of the Israelis
>and the Palestinians and what is justifiable behaviour rings very hollow.
Why? There are such huge faults on both sides that neither can rightfully claim the moral high ground (though both hypocritically try). Turning a blind eye to the evils of only one side makes your opinion practically worthless, but more importantly, focussing on blame is unproductive and only perpetuates the cycle of destruction, harming both Israel and Palestine. But it doesn't have to be this way! If instead we focus on making peace, both sides will ultimately benefit.

>Tell me where I am wrong.
You're wrong to choose ongoing destruction over peace.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:33:41 PM
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