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Vaccine passport opens the door to ugly segregation : Comments
By Campbell Newman and John Ruddick, published 15/9/2021Recent polls suggest most Australians support vaccine passports. History is however littered with examples of a temporary popular opinion being dead wrong.
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Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 15 September 2021 1:34:41 PM
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I support the public-health FUNCTIONALITY of vaccine passports, but not the passports themselves.
99% of Australians are law-abiding, and if told for public-health reasons to not attend a certain function, then they wouldn't: the addition of 1% unvaccinated people who cheat the system (with or without passports) into a function intended only for vaccinated people, would hardly make a dent in the overall immunity, but it does of course add significantly to the personal risk of those unvaccinated people. Even without passports, there could still be criminal and civil charges against people who were caught to falsely claim that they were vaccinated. They could be sued by the business-owners where they attended, they could be refused medical care (or made to pay for it) if they get ill, and they might have to pay all the medical bills as well as for the financial loss of those they infected. To begin with, their dishonesty is likely to cost them their ability to ever again use that service and possibly many others. Temptations would be too high for government, should state-based COVID passports are issued, to stop there and not use them for other purposes once the pandemic is over. That would make the return to normal freedoms more difficult once public-health conditions allow and would also further advance the proliferation and dependence on digital technology. As SteeleRedux mentioned, this whole situation will not stay with us forever, so let us make sure that none of its harmful side-effects remain with us for any longer than need be. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 2:09:45 PM
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Hi Jonathan J. Ariel,
"I look forward to the Feds disallowing the un-vaccinated hospital treatment for the account of Medicare. If the socially irresponsible want the freedom not to be vaccinated, sure, let em at it. I along with others, want the freedom not to pick up their foreseeable hospital bills." Well I haven't cost the country a single cent in covid testing or vaccines, and I haven't caught or spread covid. Do I get some kind of financial rebate? What about a different financial model? How about a $5000 fine if you catch Covid and an extra $5000 fine for everyone who you spread it to? And say I don't have the vaccine and are therefore ineligible for healthcare, will that mean I won't have to feel any moral responsibility to give blood when all the other blood is tainted by vaccines? Also is it ok for me to discriminate against the vaccinated? Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 2:57:37 PM
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Alan B, wow you really do get overexcited mate. I have had plenty of jabs over the last few years. This one is new and has bugger all to recommend it. Covid is not the bogeyman you obviously got yourself into a lather thinking it is. One of the common cold viruses which will take you out if you are very old and very sick. I noted that two 80 year old in Sydney were Asymptomatic so not the the black death mate. Fatalities of less than one per cent?
Calm down Alan this is a minor hiccup. Remember we are all in this together but some of us are in it deeper. Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 7:56:19 PM
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The government paid 98 billion in Jobkeeper, and for many of those companies it was just an extra dividend to shareholders.
What about the mothballed 90 billion submarine plan? You want people to go without healthcare? When the government itself failed every single person in the country with it's ill-conceived quarantine policies? What if I have private health cover? Can I still tell them to stick their deadly vaccines? Or is my private cover not worth a cent now, since they may not let me into the building unvaccinated? Honestly, I think it's all kind of amusing actually. How many tens of millions, has government spent trying to make a stand against bullying and discrimination? And now you chuck all that out the window; - With a new policy that openly supports bullying and discrimination. And why, because it doesn't want us to choose for ourselves whether or not to take experimental vaccines or have the option of taking other FDA approved medications that could reduce the severity. As a side note, I don't know why the governments getting all bent out of shape over home-grown neo-nazis. Especially since the government and it's own policies are turning all the leaders into a bunch of little Hitlers. Here's Jacqui Lambie, saying she's coming for the unvaccinated lock, stock and barrel. http://twitter.com/RodneyNCulleton/status/1436665308748546049 Is that some kind of threat where she's going to have the government shoot me, if I don't take the vaccine? I think it is and you know why? - Because if I said I was coming after them lock, stock and barrel, they'd argue that I'm making threats and I'd be in jail. The country is become filled up with little Furers. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 16 September 2021 5:02:15 AM
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Write all that on a flyer in over two hundred languages, and I’ll see that it’s distributed widely in the Western suburbs of Sydney. Obviously the deeper problem for Governments is their inability of dealing with the monster of their own making, multiculturalism. It’s easy to see unacceptable outcomes on all sides, through the porthole of Covid restrictions. One of them you will not be shown on the square box of lies, are the homeless families in increasing numbers, living in tents on the front lawns of their previously rented accommodation, evicted from their public housing estates for not paying the rent. Note here, public housing, which is Government supplied social housing. The homelessness in the Western suburbs since the lockdown, has become the new epidemic. Hardly a park in the neighbourhood not occupied by homeless groups including women and children. The police response has been full of mercy (not), as the homeless are moved on daily like a herd of sheep. Be sure your objections will be treated with the same divorced disregard for your welfare. Be careful. Dan Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 16 September 2021 7:50:20 AM
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The vaccine can only protect the vaccinated from the worst aspects of this killer virus and the sight not seen for the best part of a century, mass graves for the dead!
Moreover when around 95% of us are vaccinated all border restrictions can be lifted and the economy fully reopened! That's the point of the still unavailable to many, vaccine!
Yes I know, the little prick hurts a tiny little bit! And some men turn to water at the least little pain? You?
What'll you do if you need a catheter inserted to pee? Go into orbit? Pass out?
I've seen big bronzed men with tats all over Going white to the gills at the prospect of lining up for a jab! And OMG, squealing for mummy as an (OMG ) ardour buster, catheter was inserted up the (OMG) penis!
What'll you be when you eventually grow into manhood? A man or just another weak-kneed, lily-livered cow (bullyboy) ward?
Alan B.