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The Peter Ridd case is too important to be left to the courts : Comments

By Graham Young, published 2/7/2021

If Ridd loses, then, without remedial action by the government, academics become mere cyphers of their universities, unable to strenuously critique the work of their colleagues.

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SR,

I not sure whether you are being deliberately obtuse or are just really stupid.

Public servants such as the ABC journalists are required to remain completely politically impartial as they are direct government employees and if openly political could be discharged with every change of government.

Whereas "The directive on IPPIS was meant for civil servants and university academics are not civil servants.” and universities are expected to be able to discuss and debate all issues free of censorship which as you pointed out is in JCU's employment charter.

Secondly, Ridd was fired not for political statements, but for pointing out technical errors in the data and findings of other researchers. That the university never challenged the validity of his criticisms makes this entirely a free speech issue.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 5 July 2021 7:56:35 AM
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SR,

"Same question to you. You claim “Suppressing opinion is never right...always wrong.”. Will you defend ABC workers in being allowed to express their opinions via their own accounts?"

Yes. I support them being able to say what they like on twitter etc.

And since you are so gung-ho on that, can we get a statement from you that Ridd should be allowed to say what he likes on his area of expertise, or any other thing for that matter. Stand-by for the linguistic gymnastics :)

Actually I'm very much in favour of ABC journos saying what they like on their chosen social media. It helps to show just how spectacularly biased the whole organisation is and how the entire ABC class is to the left of Mao.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 July 2021 9:10:06 AM
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Well SR is all gung-ho to get others to show consistency in regards to freedom of speech. But as soon as he's asked to do likewise...whoops, he's gone. Urgent appointment elsewhere dontcha know.

Its always the same with these people - rights for me but not for thee.
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Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 7:25:37 AM
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Gee I can't imagine why the JCU marine research departments would want to suppress critical opinions....

"Fraud allegations create a sea of doubt"

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/does-ocean-acidification-alter-fish-behavior-fraud-allegations-create-sea-doubt
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 11:02:46 AM
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Dear mhaze,

This little nip at the heels from you: "can we get a statement from you that Ridd should be allowed to say what he likes on his area of expertise, or any other thing for that matter."

Really?

This is what I wrote when the initial judgement was handed down:

"What a great win for the union movement. The protections of academic freedom they managed to have inserted into the enterprise bargaining agreement have over ridden the tepid and stifling JCU code of conduct."

Is this really what you have been reduced to? Manufacturing straw men at a rate that would challenge even shadowminister?

Where have the decent rightwing voices gone from this forum, you know, the ones who could sustain an argument without resorting to petty little debating tactics?

Those like yourself who are so determined to emulate Trump's style are all we have left.

Sad, very sad.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 11:24:25 AM
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So that's a no to coming out in favour of Ridd being allowed to speak his mind and criticise his colleagues.
That's a no to opposing the use of the law to shut down academic debate.
That's a no to simply saying Ridd is in the right.

That's a no to showing any sort of consistency of thought. ABC journos must be allowed to say what you want to hear, anyone who doesn't must be silenced.

Come on, man! Just a simple statement that you'd like Ridd to have the same rights that you demand for ABC jounos.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 11:36:16 AM
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