"So we're agreed that vaccinated people can get the virus? Contra what you originally asserted. Glad you got there."

Of course 'vacinnated' people can get the virus.
It must of been about a month ago they first either admitted it or implied it during one of the daily pressers;
- They're not hiding this inconvenient truth anymore as far as I know.

If SteeleRedux thinks that after the jab his immune system will be strengthened and make him more protected against catching the virus, and that if he does catch the virus his symptoms will be less severe;

- Then he should be able to get his jab without criticism from those who are not having it.

Likewise if mhaze thinks that the vaccine won't make any difference in protecting him from covid, and that the risks associated with the vacinne are less than the risks associated with covid, or whatever he believes;
If he doesn't want the jab, then he too should be free to not get the jab without criticism from those who are having it.

Now, this would be great in a perfect world, but
Unfortunately we live in the real world, no-ones free from criticism and everybody criticises everything;

So what of it?

What's the actual danger to those who do get the jab by those who don't have it?
- How are the vaccinated put at risk of harm by the vaccinated?

And conversely
What's the actual danger to those who don't get the jab by those who do have it?
- How are the unvaccinated put at risk of harm by the vaccinated?

- I've actually heard arguments on both sides too.

Obviously the vaccinated people think we need some kind of herd immunity.
I'm not sure how this really works, because this vaccine doesn't make you immune.

On the other side I've heard that unvaccinated pregnant women who are exposed to vaccinated people can spontaneously abort, etc.
- Sounds fairly serious if true.

I haven't been keeping up on the facts.
I don't know whats true and what isn't.
- Does anyone? -

- I made an error in my previous comment -

Where I stated:
'risks associated with the vaccine are less than the risks associated with covid'
should have instead said
'risks associated with the vaccine are GREATER than the risks associated with covid'

Many probably knew what I meant, but I just thought I'd clarify and acknowledge the error