Hi SR

Not the one I quoted, but I found this.
https://www.google.com/search?q=orga...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Well I was planning on insulting you, but since you left this disclaimer, I'd better argue my thoughts on merit.

"Before insulting me, I ask you to firstly point out the errors in my thinking and secondly to identify a better strategy. There may well be better paths available that I have not thought of and it is possible that there are errors or misunderstandings in my own thinking."

1/ "Firstly, we need to decrease the level of fear so the Australian people will support whatever measures are taken."

If you reduce the amount of fear, you will inadvertently increase the amount of complacency, which will result in more community transmission; and more deaths.

2/ Early Treatment - Yes it sounds like a responsible course of action but the more people we have getting treatment the more the hospital staff are placed at risk, and carry the burden for everyone else.

3/ Vaccines - "Most will eventually catch the virus and recover and enjoy relatively long term natural immunity."

- You can't have natural immunity to a virus that isn't natural and was made in a lab as a bioweapon. Also you said 'most' not 'all'.

4/ Open the borders - Which one's? State borders or international borders - because you can't have it both ways.

- If 99% of the country has to be held ransom for the 1% of cafe society individuals who didn't want to be here, and expect to trickle back indefinitely, then borders will have to be closed now and then, because the virus ALWAYS escapes our containments.

- You can't have international arrivals, and also be free from lockdowns, end of story.

[Cont.]

5/ Stop Testing - Well we can't stop testing as long as risk to the community exists. Even if we closed international borders we'd still need to test so that that those who make the decisions in our best interests have all the relevant info available to them to make the best decisions.

"The health authorities and politicians are not distinguishing between people who test positive and people who are sick."
- It seems you want everyone TO GET COVID, and then gain natural immunity. I don't want COVID, and I don't want the vaccine.
Your plan sucks.

6/ Stop all the unnecessary mask mandates, business restrictions
No, they exist for a reason.

You want to know something?
Many of us have parents, and you're advocating killing them by opening borders and reduced restrictions to create a greater risk, and then pushing vaccines which might also kill them.

You talk about low risk.
You're asking millions of people to play Russian roullete with a gun that has 6700 chambers and one bullet in it.
- Someone will die for your stance -
Are you planning of going to that persons funeral?

I'm going to be honest.
You come out grandstanding about how positive it is to try to kill my parents - I wish you were in a hospital with covid, struggling for your own life.

You see media like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J59zTPkEAj4

Why would I put ANY Aussie citizens who are stangers to me, their best interests ahead of my own, my families or the nation as a whole's best interests?
They didn't even want to be here.

People in planes and limos, people who didn't want to be here, and people like Alan Joyce who have raped our nation with handouts during covid and who only care about profitability over the nations health.
These are the ones who caused this mess.

"Also of the 30 people at the super spreader party in Sydney to only 6 not to be infected were those who were fully vaccinated.
That to me is a pretty solid reason to be happy with my choice to have the jab."

From today's ABC (so it must be right)...

"Three residents at a Sydney aged care home where two workers tested positive for COVID-19 last week have contracted the virus. All three residents were fully vaccinated". Two of them were hospitalised.

oops

Why do those who agree with & are going to or have had the jab want everyone else to have it? Surely if they & probably their loved ones are thus, to their mind, protected, why does it matter to them. The only reason I can imagine is they are a bit nervous about it, & want everyone else in the same boat.

Personally I will only have the jab when a "proper" vaccine has been developed & tested in the usual way, say 5 to 10 years if I am still around.

Other wise I am perfectly happy to volunteer for a proper test of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine as I believe these, & new ones in development are our best defense now & into the future.

Meanwhile I wish those who want it get the jab ASAP, & allow those who don't want it do their own thing, including use Ivermectin.

Dear mhaze,

You really are a shocker aren't you.

This is what you put in your post.

“"Three residents at a Sydney aged care home where two workers tested positive for COVID-19 last week have contracted the virus. All three residents were fully vaccinated". Two of them were hospitalised.”

Firstly they gained their infection from a positive staff member who wasn't vaccinated. Secondly vaccinations in the elderly are notably less effective due to diminished immune systems. Thirdly two of them were taken to hospital only as a “precaution” and were “were not showing symptoms and were in "good spirits".”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/nsw-covid-19-aged-care-outbreak-spreads-three-infected/100266238

You really can't help yourself can you.

Dear Hasbeen,

You have been reading too much Clive Palmer rubbish. Perhaps a few reputable medical journals might be more helpful.

“But Chaccour said he had watched in distress as countries throughout Latin America adopted the drug as a treatment for Covid, largely relying on spurious data, and warned Australia against doing the same.

“People have been injected with veterinary formulations of the drug,” he said. “Evangelical groups have walked into Indigenous communities and injected people with veterinary ivermectin as a way to ‘help’. I get messages from unknown people sending me photos of sheep ivermectin and asking how much they should inject to treat or prevent Covid. This can be very, very harmful. You need to consider all the consequences before pushing this drug in Australia in the absence of good evidence.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/13/what-is-ivermectin-and-should-we-be-using-it-to-treat-covid-19