Hi plantagenet, the article is about whether an Israeli government can survive either radical, extreme leftism or radical, extreme islamism.

I'm saying NO government can survive either radical, extreme leftism or radical, extreme islamism & there is certainly NO government that can survive both. Which is ON topic.

Hi Yuyutsu, Are you seriously suggesting there are no negative religions? There are many religions that have promoted violence.

Hero worshipping Pol Pot is hardly positive. Devil worship, satanism & luciferianism are hardly positive.

Have you read the Quran in the correct chronological order?

Muhammad fits the profile of a false prophet perfectly, as does Karl Marx.

The ALP worships a "wolf in sheep's clothing" which is hardly positive. Leftism & Islamism are both clearly Devil Worship. How can that be good for Israel or any other country?

Hey Yuyutsu,

Me: "And the people responsible for this act of terrorism, formed the Likud Party."

You: "Netanyahu, BTW, was born in 1949, while King David Hotel was blown up in 1946."

My response: Nothing to do with Benjamin Netanyahu;
- Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun at that time (Kind David Hotel Bombing), and he was a founder of the Likud Party.
- That's the link I'm making in my argument; Menachem Begin, not Bibi.

Hi Plantagenet
"imacentristmoderate is just a rogue, off topic, stirrer contributing nothing to the Israeli Political subject of this article-thread."

Not sure I'm contributing too much this time.
I've probably watched or read about all the things he's whinging about truth be told;
I supported Trump over Hillary, that's for sure.
(In the beginning at least - bit luke warm on the way he handled Covid but Democrats didn't make things easy);
- And I loathe progressives and the pc ideology generally;
- Just as I loathe Biden and almost all the other Democrats.
I know a few things about Islam, and I've posted links to show I do.
I know about the 5 pillars of Islam, and their religious, political and military aspects.
I know the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto;
I know who the Fabian society are.
I wouldn't know all the things I know pertaining to Jewry if I hadn't taken the conspiracy side road I did.

But I still try to keep my feet on the ground, and make reasonable arguments based on merit.

Hi imacentristmoderate,
"Capitalism NEVER brought ANY problems."
"Labour unions NEVER did anything good."

- The way my brain works, is to firstly look at the Pro's and Con's of all issues;
- And then I use that knowledge to see flaws in others arguments.

So let me change the argument and make it 'Dying on the job due to poor safety'
- Did Labour unions promote safer working environments?

Don't you consider dying on the job a poor outcome?
Or do you wish more died at work to improve profit margins?

Dear Imacentristmoderate,

First, thank you for clarifying how your posts relate to this thread.

Whether or not governments in general can survive extreme Islamism, extreme leftism or both, is not quite relevant because neither of Israel's new coalition parties subscribes to the "extreme" description.

Also, you may or may not be aware that in Israeli terminology, "left" and "right" mostly pertain to attitudes towards the 1967 occupation, rather than to economic policies as they do in the rest of the world.

Still the differences are big, but the parties made a sincere agreement to set them aside, to keep the status-quo and make changes in those delicate areas where agreement is not possible only with the agreement of both prime-ministers. Time will tell, but I do believe that this government will survive.

«Hi Yuyutsu, Are you seriously suggesting there are no negative religions?»

Yes, by definition: religion is that which brings one closer to God, and this is always a positive outcome.

«There are many religions that have promoted violence.»

No - there are indeed some groups and ideologies that are mistakenly and/or fraudulently claiming to be or are accepted as "religions". Violence never brings one closer to God, so all one can say about such groups and ideologies is that they are not truly religions.

«Hero worshipping Pol Pot is hardly positive. Devil worship, satanism & luciferianism are hardly positive.»

- nor are they religious practices.

«Muhammad fits the profile of a false prophet perfectly, as does Karl Marx.»

We know about Marx, his life is historically well documented, but what do we really know about Muhammad?
All we now have is just the Koran, that was written some 120 years after his death along the fake Hadith that claims Muhammad to be its author. My feeling is that Muhammad himself was a saint, a man of God, who lived in a cave and had no idea about the nonsense that was later attributed to him.

Dear Critic,

«Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun at that time (Kind David Hotel Bombing), and he was a founder of the Likud Party.»

And so also the leaders of the Haganah who later found the Labor party.

They all planned to attack British targets simultaneously.
The difference between them is just that Begin's attack of King David Hotel was successful while the Haganah's attack failed.

It was the Labor leaders that conducted 1967's "six day" war and the following evictions and occupation: Menachem Begin and his party were in opposition at the time.
It was a Labor government, headed by Rabin in 1976, which allowed the first Jews to settle in the occupied West Bank (in Sebastia).
Besides the heroic official stories, we now understand the true, unspoken, motive behind the occupation - it was Moshe Dayan's (then defense-minister) wish to enhance his private archaeological artifact collection by robbing archaeological sites in the West Bank... so different to the extreme and legendary honesty and integrity of Menachem Begin, whether or not we like his ideology.

Now some debate whether violent self-defense is legitimate despite the casualties. Others debate whether or not the Jewish population of Israel in the 1940's could survive without defending itself, solely by relying on British troops and wondering what would happen once the British leave the land. In any case, under the assumption that the Jewish undergrounds acted in legitimate self-defense, I see nothing particularly cruel, outrageous or extraordinary about attacking the enemy's intelligence installation where the files with personal information and evidence against them was kept - especially given that sufficient warning was given to the British to leave the building in time to save their lives but not these files.

Hi Yuyutsu

Where you said on Wednesday, 9 June 2021 3:35:57 PM

"As for Islam, I know people who have grown both spiritually and as decent people as a result of following that path - for them, Islam is a religion, not a tribal/political stance, so they too have my blessings."

I agree with you. Very true. Just gotta talk to them.

When I was debriefing radical Palestinians in London, in 1981, in the neutral environment of controlled drinking in a safely monitored and peopled British pub

they were quite open that they had ambivalent views about Israel. Israel, according to them, was the "Devil they knew".

They said Israel brought prosperity and order, despiter Israel's many sins.

This is akin to the People's Front of Judea "terrorists" in the Life of Brian comprehensively answering "What have the Romans given us in return?" Answer "the Aquaduct, sanitation, and the roads, irrigation, medicine, education and the wine, public baths, and its safe to walk in the streets at night" http://youtu.be/uvPbj9NX0zc?t=53s

These Palestinians did not say the Israelis "brought Peace" however. A rather significant sticking point, that haunts everyone, Palestinian and Israeli, to this day.

Other times, ALSO LONG BEFORE GOVERNMENT SERVICE FOR ANY COUNTRY, debriefing IRA financial supporters, who hung out, in their words as "token revolutionaries at Soviet Embassy cocktail parties" I'll discuss some other time.

Hi Armchair Critic,

I'm NOT suggesting the world was perfect before the leftism disease began infecting the planet. Just that leftism has made everything worse.

"Dying on the job" was solved last century & this century leftism brought it back. With leftist trade unions, leftist politicians & leftist public servants 100% responsible.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Leftists behave exactly like they are loyal members of a radical, extreme religious cult & Leftism behaves exactly like a radical, extreme, religious cult.

Your chosen online name would suggest some Asian influence or ethnicity. The Yin/Yang symbol is about negative energy & positive energy. Many religions revell in negative energy & "getting closer" to Satan or Lucifer or the Devil. Kali is an evil Hindu God worshipped by the Thuggees, an organised crime gang who revelled in violence & death.

We DO know heaps about Muhammad. There are 3 holy books in Islam, Quran, Sirah (a biography of Muhammad) & Hadith which can still be added to today, as it is the rulings of Islamic judges based on the teachings of Muhammad.

There are heaps of direct quotes from Muhammad in the Quran & all 3 books are cross referenced against each other. Try reading Surah 9 which is the last instruction Muhammad ever received from Allah & abrogates ALL previous "peaceful" Surahs.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Qur%27an

Good Muslim terrorists don't care about your "feelings" regarding Muhammad. Only following his example of death, destruction, rape & theft.

Hi plantagenet,

My uncle was a WW2 (military intelligence) veteran who began his counter terrorism career in Israel after WW2, spent time behind the Iron Curtain & finished his counter terrorism career in Northern Ireland.

None of what you or any other commenter has said, alters the fact that 100% of ALL terrorism today comes from either radical, extreme Leftism or radical, extreme Islamism.