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The feminist label : Comments

By Dara Macdonald, published 27/4/2021

Many women on the centre-right either set themselves up in opposition to 'feminism' or have their female card taken from them.

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Labels are for lazy people who don't always know what they are on about; they also give a sense of belonging to something; but, most of all, labels give detractors a one word put down that saves them from having to explain the reasons for their opposition.

Adopt a label, and you lose all individuality. If you think one way on a particular area, it will be taken for granted that you have the same attitude on everything.

One belief I read recently was that the modern feminist movement is firmly based in neo-Marxism. Many feminists would baulk at being called neo-Marxists with good reason. But when you join a gang, and take its name, you have to accept that you will be lumped in with all the other malcontented Commos, and your cause will be lost in all the general screeching and demands for attention that the most people - male, female and whatevers - are sick of hearing about.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 9:15:56 AM
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Looks like those who say we need another war might be right !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 9:36:43 AM
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Not to worry, these weirdo feminists will die out anyway.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 10:46:25 AM
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Bazz,
Don't get your hopes up too high because they now have the help of the ABC/SBS to promote their insidious agenda.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 4:18:52 PM
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If I could I would like to suggest this author conducts a survey among homeless women, and decide what priority they would give this subject.

Obviously this author is bored.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 5:37:09 PM
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Individual, I think they will die out, they do not like men and would
you want to take one to bed ?
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:06:05 PM
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Bazz,
Don't forget the obliging tossers out there whom these female creatures exploit !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 7:35:22 PM
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The only true feminist was the French woman George Sands. She understood real freedom and equality reside in empowerment given by the control of ones own sexuality.

I doubt any of these 'feminists' would have heard of Amatine Lucille 'Aurore' Dupin, let alone read her work.

If they had, instead of fighting the symptoms on the edges, they would work to live as Dupin lived.

She 'walked her talk.'

And should be a role model for them all.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 29 April 2021 7:33:01 PM
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Dara you have written intelligently.

I'm open to a discussion on Dupin's conclusion.

Let's start at her best quote;

'the only true happiness is to love and to be loved.'

She wasn't only talking about the male dominated 'one man one woman whole of life' love imposed through the 1000 year genocide of the women (witches) who disagreed.

We can conduct it here or off line.

Dara keep up your exploring. I'm 67 and still doing that.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 29 April 2021 7:48:54 PM
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keep up your exploring. I'm 67 and still doing that.

imajulianutter,
And, what ? Keep finding the same result ? Doesn't that get a bit boring ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 1 May 2021 7:53:36 AM
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individual,

And you here show you are listening but no thearing. It is true I openly stil supportl, as I always have done, the quest for the equality of women.

Feminist? Probably. Well read on the subject definitely. My greatest Feminist hero, George Sands.

And your opinion is formed from ... ?

Boring, you ask?

No far from it. Especially when I come across intelligent and open minded fellow explorers ... such as Dara.

Can I change my opinions. You suggest I don't.

Well I can and do. eg I used to think you were reasonable and open minded. In light of your comments here, I am reassessing that. You might not always be open minded or reasoned.

Cheers
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 1 May 2021 3:31:15 PM
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imajulianutter,
All my life I have not once found myself in a situation where I was more privileged than women.
All the blokes I worked with all said the same, women have it much easier, particularly the better looking ones.
I for one have never heard of a husband being awarded the family home to live in with the girl friend but I heard of many women getting that privilege.
The list is almost endless.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 2 May 2021 8:19:59 AM
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Yes individual, I still have a little vision of female privilege from the late 40s. Not long after the war we were living in Townsville, in a house high on Castle Hill, with great views of the bay out to Magnetic Island. The front verandah was a regular gathering point for the ladies.

Both dad & the next door neighbor were getting reestablished after returning from the war in PNG. Dad ran a small chain of shoe stores, & the neighbor a branch of a bank. I can still see the pair of them peddling off to work in the wet season, [no cars available, or affordable after the war], barefoot in just a pair of shorts, their business clothes wrapped in an ex army ground sheet.

One evening the 2 ladies were on the verandah, home from their bowls or tennis afternoon, having a cup of tea when both men arrived. After greetings both men reached into a pocket producing an envelop. It was their pay packets, which they handed to the ladies, who opened them, handing the men a small amount, their pocket money.

It made sense, the ladies had to pay for the ice, bread, fruit & veg, milk, soft drinks & other stuff, all home delivered, & do the shopping. This was their share of the family work, none of them worked formally, & they had time for tennis, bowls & card afternoons, as well as school tuck shop duties.

I will never forget the site of the ladies dolling out the mens pocket money, still dressed in their tennis gear, & the men hot from their bike ride up the hill. It was perhaps a better life. No one had much after the war, but families were closer I think, them together against a world, that had been pretty tough for quite a while
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 2 May 2021 12:03:31 PM
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hi Individual,

Please tell me why you think a better looking woman has an advantage over a less better looking woman?
And please tell me whether you think better looking women thinks she has an advantage over less better looking women and the reverse why you think lesser better looking woman thinks she lacks the advantages of better looking women.

Does the same apply to attire and hairstyle? What about skin colour? Marital Status? Sexual behaviour?

Get the point? Your advantage is you get to judge on irrelevancies. And to openly state them without censure.

Cheers
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 May 2021 11:57:04 AM
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Hasbeen,

Please now reinforce your view by telling me how your work experience as a housewife, mother and wife impacts your attitude. The would actually qualif you to judge the value of the women's contribution ?

I thought that argument had been done and dusted a generation or two ago. Apparently not?

Cheers Keith
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 May 2021 12:04:00 PM
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To all the women out there,

I share your exasperation ... not your total experience as a wife or partner, and I reckon at times that would be really very taxing, although I did spend years raising my children alone, where my social outings, sporting and community activities with my children and shared with mostly other mothers taught me much about mothering. The social interaction was vital and impacted with great positivity on the three of us.

Cheers
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 May 2021 12:10:41 PM
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Been there, done that, & got the tee shirt imajulianutter.

When I returned from my Pacific islands fun, I had a tired ageing yacht, & a reasonable amount of money in the bank. After I met my lady we got involved in the tourist industry. It was hard work, 29 or 30 days a month working, & no chance of holidays for 6 of the 8 years. We must have been pretty resilient, as we managed to have a couple of kids during it.

My lady is so good we found it better to hire a nanny, & keep her at work. We did well, but tiring of 14 hour days we bought a small cattle stud in Wide Bay. Not sure if the cash flow would support us, my lady went back to work as librarian in a small city near by.

I became farther/mum/house wife/stud master/roustabout/farmer/cook etc. At 3 our son would sit on my lap & "steer" the tractor, so I could get some work done, between the school runs to school 12 kilometers away.

So mate, I have 5 years of being father/mum, with a bit more thrown in. I am under no illusions of the effort involved. I feel strongly for our youngest, trying to pay off a house on her own, with a 4 year old. I don't object to my lady spending 5 days a week living with her, & minding grand daughter. It does mean I am back to being a house wife, but with all todays mod cons, it is a lot easier than it used to be.

As I said earlier, I think my mothers life, at least just after the war, was a damn sight better than my daughters, even with all our labour saving devices not available until well after the war.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 3 May 2021 2:00:37 PM
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I'm sorry Hasbeen.

Our experiences are very different.

I was only ever a dad.

I gained a view of a working solo dad I did not have a partner to look after nor to need to tend their needs, nor one to support me or tend to me.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 3 May 2021 3:49:19 PM
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why you think a better looking woman has an advantage over a less better looking woman?
imajulinutter,
Personal observation & confirmed countless times by those I discussed this with.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 8:00:16 AM
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