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EU strongarming Australia on CO2 : Comments

By Alan Moran, published 1/4/2021

The EU has long sought to impose its carbon dioxide abatement policies on the rest of the world. A major setback to this was the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.

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SteeleRedux

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Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 8 April 2021 11:35:42 PM
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Shadow,
The point is it would not be exclusive to imports; it would equally apply to their domestic production.

Do you regard Australia's GST as a tariff? If not, what's the difference?
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 9 April 2021 12:41:56 AM
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SR,

Did you not read the definition. As no tax is paid on emission standards then it is not a tariff.

Aidan,

The EU is not directly applying a carbon tax to the production of goods, it is a tax on power production and at best an indirect tax as much as the subsidies on renewables is an indirect tax on every citizen in Aus.

Direct taxes on imports from Aus will almost certainly be met with direct taxes on imports from the EU to Aus as per WTO regulations.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 9 April 2021 4:11:20 AM
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Steelreflux

My posts are correct. 2012/2017 Australian wheat exports exceeded France, 100% correct. You are the idiot, face these facts. Idiot.
Galen
Posted by Galen, Friday, 9 April 2021 5:07:21 PM
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SR,

Clearly, you didn't read the definition. There is no duty or tax to be paid on meeting emission standards. If anything emission standards for cars are at best non-tariff trade barriers.

Aidan,

FFS look up the definition. A GST is applied to all sales within Aus not just imports and is thus not a tariff.

For example, German winemakers do not themselves pay any carbon tax to produce wine. However, their costs are increased due to taxes paid by power producers. The EU already has trade tariffs on just about all imported goods to protect their producers, and as a result, all other countries have similar tariffs on EU products. Any additional tariffs such as a carbon tax tariff would be additional protection that would attract additional tariffs on EU exports.

The whole point of trade negotiations is to reduce tariffs and increase sales of locally produced goods. The EU used to be about 25% of the world market but has dropped to 15% over the decades, and now after Brexit will drop even further.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 10 April 2021 1:49:07 AM
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Dear Galen,

Are you really going to stand by statements such as this? "If you look at the overall long term data it is obvious Australia exceeds France in wheat exports by volume."

That is what was challenged, not your 2017 figures. No one has said boo about them.

Look mate you got rolled completely on this one and have ended up looking like a goose. Save it for the next try, one day you might just get one over on me. Won't that be a call for celebration.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 10 April 2021 1:01:34 PM
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