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EU strongarming Australia on CO2 : Comments

By Alan Moran, published 1/4/2021

The EU has long sought to impose its carbon dioxide abatement policies on the rest of the world. A major setback to this was the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.

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Dear Galen,

You poor thing. You really aren't up to this are you. Come on mate, I keep pointing out where you repeatedly balls up what should be very basics and we aren't ever seeing any improvement. It seems you may well be incapable of anything but a juvenile level response.

However I am in a charitable mood given the Christian season so I will make the effort once more.

The figures you quoted were without a citation but the seemingly came from this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wheat_exports

As everyone can see your figures are from 2017. Mine were referenced and came from 2018 and 2019.

In 2018 the dollar value of France's wheat exports was $4,111,875,000 while Australia's was $3,036,049,000.

In 2019 the dollar value of France's wheat exports was $4,298,894,000 while Australia's was $2,482,945,000.
http://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/TP

So my insipid and disrespectful Muppet you have stuffed up completely and really ought to be apologising for your little outburst.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 5 April 2021 12:37:33 AM
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Just a couple of points on the great wheat export debate:

1. This is highly variable. Taking Australia's results during the height of a drought as being representative is at best misleading and at worst misinformation.
2. Bearing in mind that the numbers are highly variable year on year due to weather conditions, about half of France's wheat exports remain within the EU which is the issue here.

If the EU wants to impose tariffs on those countries that haven't followed them down the rabbit-hole of climate alarmism, then so be it. Its their call and their right. The only losers are their own peoples.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 5 April 2021 11:04:25 AM
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Steel,

My data may be from 2017, it’s still 10o% correct. Your 2018-2019 data reflects an unusual period of time when Australian wheat exports where severely affected by drought.

If you look at the overall long term data it is obvious Australia exceeds France in wheat exports by volume.

Go suck on those apples you insipid muppet.
Galen
Posted by Galen, Monday, 5 April 2021 11:34:47 AM
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Dear Galen,

Well now that is just inexcusable. I give you a link to the data and yet you still sit there trying to assert a falsehood. What would your god be thinking of you now?

You say “Your 2018-2019 data reflects an unusual period of time when Australian wheat exports where severely affected by drought.”

Bollocks. You obviously didn't bother looking did you.

Australian wheat volumes only exceed those of France in one other year out of the last 15, and that was in 2012.

Australia
2005 tonnes 13914503
2006 tonnes 14975540
2007 tonnes 6755804
2008 tonnes 8278014
2009 tonnes 14996065
2010 tonnes 15888042
2011 tonnes 17657181
2012 tonnes 23535862 *
2013 tonnes 18001619
2014 tonnes 18282773
2015 tonnes 17053209
2016 tonnes 16148016
2017 tonnes 21985914 *
2018 tonnes 12352837
2019 tonnes 9591796

France
2005 tonnes 16022528
2006 tonnes 16580501
2007 tonnes 14386449
2008 tonnes 16292571
2009 tonnes 16872217
2010 tonnes 21081540
2011 tonnes 20345934
2012 tonnes 16469022
2013 tonnes 19638502
2014 tonnes 20398724
2015 tonnes 19815289
2016 tonnes 18343653
2017 tonnes 15228664
2018 tonnes 18940343
2019 tonnes 19956974

So when you say: “If you look at the overall long term data it is obvious Australia exceeds France in wheat exports by volume.” you are really talking out of your arse again aren't you.

Now I would normally expect and apology from someone who accused me of lying three times in a single deranged thread but I suspect you aren't that kind of person. You can't even come up with your own insults. Far more likely is that you will skulk off until the next thread where you will come out sniping yet again. But you may surprise us.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 5:35:09 AM
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SR,

The main reason for tariffs is to protect local industries which are why the EU already has high import tariffs and why other countries have reciprocal tariffs on imports from the EU.

Considering that Australia is faring better in meeting its targets than the EU, the real reason for these carbon tariffs is more about general protection than climate change.

Finally, you are right, the EU does have its own sovereign rights to raise tariffs as does Australia to retaliate proportionally.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 2:55:40 PM
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Dear mhaze,

You wrote: "Taking Australia's results during the height of a drought as being representative is at best misleading and at worst misinformation."

Given the figures clearly show the opposite, that instead 'Taking Australia's results during a rare bumper crop as being representative is at best misleading and at worst misinformation.' are you going to call out our dear Galen? That would be consistent at least.

He does seem to have scarpered though so perhaps it doesn't matter.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:06:12 PM
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