ABORIGINAL ART COMMUNITY RIGHTLY REJECTS SIERRA'S BLOOD-ON-UK-FLAG-"ART"-PROPOSAL

Binoy's confusing prose, on this occasion, clouds the reality that: 23 March, 2021 http://news.artnet.com/art-world/santiago-sierra-dark-mofo-cancelled-1954026

"An Australian Arts Festival Has Canceled Artist Santiago Sierra’s Plans to Douse the British Flag in the Blood of Indigenous People"

"The Dark [Museum of Old and New Art in Hobart (MOFO)] festival pulled the work after Indigenous artists around the country decried the work

..."There has been enough First Peoples blood spilt across the world because of the English,” wrote Kimberley Moulton,...“This is not ‘decolonizing,’ it’s not provocative or groundbreaking conceptual practice… it’s shock jock art.”

“The invitation to donate blood to this project is disrespectful and ignorant,” wrote Cass Lynch, of the Aboriginal Noongar people, in Overland magazine. “To ask First Nations people to give blood to drench a flag recreates, not critiques, the abhorrent conditions of colonzation.”

... Douse the British Flag in the Blood of Indigenous People"
plantagenet,
And, what could we douse in the blood of non-indigenous people ?

Indy

"Douse the British Flag in the Blood of Indigenous People" was the perverted idea of Spanish artist Santiago Sierra.

NOT MINE!!

Spanish artist Santiago Sierra's idea of doing that with indigenous, or non-indigenous blood, is equally disgusting.

Did the artist dowse the Spanish Flag in the blood of the Incas and
others in their colonies or does he just have a thing about the British Empire ?

Quite obviously a large percentage of the so called ARTS world is very sick, & needs treatment in a mental institution,

Of course as a Spaniard, the bloke could merely be trying to get some revenge for what the British did to the Spanish armada.

Oh Hasbeen, you are forgetting Gibraltar ! Tse Tse !

Yes Bazz, quite remiss of me.

Nup. Gibraltar is proudly British forever, chaps.

Even Spanish speaker Speedy Gonzales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Gonzales has studied the Wiki entry on Gibra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

"In 1704, Anglo-Dutch forces captured Gibraltar from Spain during the War of the Spanish Succession on behalf of the Habsburg claim to the Spanish throne. The territory was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

...Gibraltarians rejected proposals for Spanish sovereignty in a 1967 referendum and, in a 2002 referendum, the idea of shared sovereignty was also rejected. On 31 January 2020, the UK and Gibraltar left the European Union."

Gibraltar is as British as the Falklands!

Let us all, stout hearted, sing as one, http://youtu.be/akbzRuZmqVM?t=1m

Planta
(after mowing the lawn)

:)

Dear Hasbeen,

Well you are welcome to that opinion however you have dodged the question on whether this bloke should be cancelled. How about you give us an answer.

Yes plantagenet, I think I had that going through my head when I signed up for my navy pilot training on the 1St of April 1958.

Yes April fools day, with just 2 of us selected from NSW, but they did wait until after midday to sign us up. 45 years later it was my son signing up, but as one of a group of 40 in Queensland. Some families are slow learners. However now we have decided that about half the population is not worth defending, & a large chunk of the rest don't really deserve it either.

Did you ask a question SR. Why am I not surprised that you can't see that the whole filthy lot should be canceled, to stop the bile spreading.

SR,

This "artist" is a talentless hack that is trying to compensate for his lack of talent by producing something that is controversial.

I'm not in favour of cancelling anyone, however, the organisers are entitled to omit anything without any artistic merit.

Hi Hassy

I'm curious:

Naval aviating always being dangerous, what were you flying in 1958? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Royal_Australian_Navy#D

I also have to ask that burning question. In your car collection do you have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_T-type ?

Cheers

Planta

about half the population is not worth defending, & a large chunk of the rest don't really deserve it either.
Hasbeen,
Sad but unfortunately very true !

Well shadowminister and Hasbeen are cancelculturalists, who would have thought.

shadowminister, the organisers considered it artistic enough for inclusion and while you may think it has no artistic merit that is hardly a definitive verdict now is it.

A bunch of whingers manager to get this pulled any you two are agreeiong wholeheartedly.

Hasbeen, you really shouldn't be calling out people on principles when you can't even hold fast to your own.

Hi plantagenet a bit off topic, but just for you.

First was navy training at the old college at Flinders Navel Depot recruit school in Melbourne.
We did our flying training with the RAAF.
We flew Winjeels at No 1 BFTS Uranquinty,
Then Vampires at Pearce.

Once we got our wings we were shipped to the UK to do our operational carrier training. We flew Sea Venoms off I think it was HMS Victory

Back here it was Venoms off HMAS Melbourne. We were the lucky ones. The others flew Gannets. Those things scared the daylights out of me, almost as dangerous as the dreadful Wessex choppers.

Got 4.5 hours on Sea Furies when we had trouble with the Venoms.

Most of us were trained to watch keeping on Darings, So we would be of some use if/when Melbourne went down.

Sorry plantagenet, missed your other question.

No MGs in my fleet. I did briefly own one while training at Uranquinty. It was more or less a fixture at the base. Too far to drive it to Pearce, so it was sold as each trainee owner was shipped out.

A really beautiful 1940 MG TB drop head. 19" wheels about 3" wide, it could do all of about 75 miles per hour, with a long straight to get wound up, but an absolute joy. Much more fun, & probably more dangerous than flying.

Hi Hazza

Thanks muchly for your replies.

I see the Winjeels you trained on were proudly Australian designed and built http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Winjeel “proved a very stable aircraft making it almost impossible to spin, and with this being a required part of pilot training the tail had to be redesigned as a result”

Sound so much better than that other Aussie invention, the Nomad...

On your Sea Venom experience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Sea_Venom#Service_with_other_nations “The canopy was modified to allow ejection from underwater.”!

I didn’t know much about the Darings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daring-class_destroyer_(1949) – but were “both the largest and most heavily armed ships serving in Commonwealth navies to be classified as destroyers.” still only 3,820 tons.

Shows how much modern destroyers have grown and mission creeped. The Air Warfare Destroyers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart-class_destroyer can now displace 7,000 tonnes.
________________

On MG experience.

My ex brother-in-law (I divorced his sister) had an MG T series never fitted with a fuel gauge.

So even in 2010 he had suffered an earlier case of fuel anxiedty - having to note conditions that would sap fuel (like hills and hot days)
prompting him to check the fuel tank with his dip stick, often. His MG - green like the one in the photo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_T-type ) attracted great interest from modern motorheads.

I just drive my computerised Mazda SUV, with all the safety gizmos. Nothing wrong with it in 3 years – touch wood.

Cheers

Planta

SR,

Now you are just lying.

Firstly, I'm not offended that this fwit wants to dip a flag in blood, and secondly, I never called for the idiot's offering to be cancelled.

What I did question whether simply doing something controversial can automatically be called art and pointed out that organisers of art exhibitions have limited space to display the most talented artists.

Shadowminister,

Rubbish.

Your cancel culture mentality was only thinly disguised with a lame attempt to direct this at the artistic merit of the work.

The curators sought the artist and they felt the project certainly had enough merit for them to originally support it. They have only withdrawn that support because of cancel culture warriors like yourself.

So the point is while everyone, even yourself, has the right to make a personal judgement on artistic merit there are far more qualified people than you who have a far more educated view of its artistic worth.

Your judgement on the other hand is nearly totally informed by your ideology.

Not that the artist would be too worried. The point has been well and truly made.

Plantagenet, I don't know where that spin story came from, but it is totally wrong. Yes the Winjeel was very stable, but it would spin when asked, & settle into a nice stable spin. One of my course was kicked off course because he became mesmorised & just sat watching the thing spin.

The tail had to be modified because some of the formers aft were cracking. This was discovered when one of the ground crew crawled into the back of the fuselage of one with a torch & a mirror on a stick & found cracks. It was decided that when the thing was put into an unstable spin the stress on those formers was excessive.

This was during my course, & we were banned from spinning for a couple of months. Spinning was allowed again after the things were patched up, but no more unstable spins permitted.

They were a great aircraft, if a bit heavy on controls in some maneuvers, such as steep turns, but the sound of them throttling back from 2300 to 1800RPM after take off, while sitting in a physics class was murder, it made you itch to be flying.

Steeleliar,

You can't stop lying.

The article said nothing about this artist being sought out his repertoire seems to consist of making up rubbish designed to outrage people with no more artistic component than taking a crap on the sidewalk.

If you think that's art, then all your thoughts are driven by ideology.

shadowminister,

The bloke was awarded the National Award for Plastic Arts in Spain so you once again are talking through your hat.

If you understood anything about Dark Mofo you would know his work is a very good fit for this particular art festival.

"Dark Mofo is not your ordinary festival, and this is probably why it's gained such an enormous cult fan base. Held in the lead-up to the winter solstice, it can often be confronting, disturbing, thought-provoking, or just plain weird. Some of the more left of field performances have included an artist being voluntarily buried beneath a busy road in Hobart for three days, and a bull carcass being decapitated in front of a live audience. The art on show at Dark Mofo is at the forefront of the contemporary art scene, and it isn’t afraid to shock in order to make a point, so come with an open mind."

Santiago Sierra was looking to shock to make a point and he has done so even if is work has been the victim of cancel culturalists like yourself.

SR,

Why are you still lying, I've never called for anyone to be cancelled and you are the ultimate cancel clown.

Dunking a British flag in blood is no longer controversial, it is a theme that is echoed by every left whinge apologist, and this piece of tacky "art" is for all the left whinge ideologues such as yourself to jerk off to.

shadowminister,

Of course you are part of the cancel culture. You are most certainly part of the 'offended classes' spoken of in the article's title.

This type of art offends you greatly and you want to see it withdrawn.

SR,

I see how you are trying desperately to conflate your left whinge cancel culture that is based on ideology and racism that wants to de-platform people that are Jewish, Christian or simply don't follow your racist dogma with merit-based selection.

shadowminister,

I'm not the one attempting to see poor old Santiago Sierra off, you are.

You are offended by his art and have firmly stated it has no merit and have invited the organisers to can it. Sure Hasbeen was more direct "the whole filthy lot should be canceled" but at least he is being truthful while about his intentions. Pity you can be the same.

The Dark Mofo festival has a reputation for being
confronting and it has used blood in the past.
It will continue to be confronting - because that's
what the organisers want.

The only way to get the
message across is for sponsors to pull out - that
some things really are disgusting and desigrating
a country's flag is not appropriate. The message
could be delivered another way. This way is a
total turn-off and will arouse more antagonism
than anything else. It's not art - but it is
attracting publicity so I suppose the artist
will get what he's aiming for.

cont'd ...

One question.

Is it against the law to deface a flag?

BTW: the artist is well known for his provocative
"art" pieces including drug-addicted sex workers with
a line tattooed on their backs and casting sculptures from
human faeces.

SR,

Now I've got you. Thanks for admitting that you are a liar and that your statements are merely your deliberate misinterpretation of what I said.

I did claim that the art piece he was submitting had no artistic merit and the sole purpose was to shock. Nothing you have said contradicts that.

Your greatest lie is that I never called on the organisers to cancel anything.

Only the most shameless liar or moron would claim that "the organisers are entitled to omit anything without any artistic merit." is a call to cancel something that has already been rejected by the organisers.

From what I gather shock tactics and sensationalism
are part of the Dark Mofo brand. Festivals could still
show works that engage without shock and without contributing
to ongoing trauma. The Spanish artist is well known for
his shock tactics (he paid people to masturbate).
Aboriginal artists have been asking for positions of
leadership and decision making for decades. It's no wonder
that they have objected to this exhibit. They don't need
to see their blood to know that they bleed. Neither do we.

The criticism of "Union Jack" is not about censorship or
culture or personal expression. It's about accountability
and ethics. And its only to the negative publicity and
objections that this event has been cancelled.

I'm sure that the artist will find a new venue to display
his brand.

Insanity is alive & well !