David Pellowe,
"Beyond extraordinarily ignorant, it's immensely offensive that the phrase might be used in the wake of a school shooting to advocate gun control, precisely the policy of the Nazi party."

If you think it's offensive to apply the phrase "never again" to schools shootings then YOU DESERVE TO BE OFFENDED!

And if you really can't tell the difference between gun control (restricting the entire population's access to the weapons that make it easier to kill a lot of people) and the policy of the Nazis (disarming the Jews but not disarming their own supporters) then you're morally bankrupt!

I must get a copy of "The Holocaust Industry" by American academic Dr Norman Finkelstein. All his close relatives except for parents died in the Holocaust. Yet has written a book about and campaigned against the scam aspects of it, presumably without downplaying suffering of genuine victims. Have long gathered from various sources there have been a lot of beatups and lies about the Holocaust. Described by some as "Holohoax". Word about these getting about has been slowed considerably by Zionist influence managing to have it made an offence to question "official" accounts of the Holocaust in about 15 countries. Note that obviously due to Jewish political influence in Australia, historian David Irving has been denied entry. Are claims he can make they do not like but cannot dispute on facts so do all they can to try and have them not exposed. Also more recently was proposed Dr Finkelstein would visit Melbourne on a speaking tour. For some reason it did not eventuate. Would not surprise me if was Jewish influence stopped him from obtaining a visa.

The Nazis obviously did some very nasty things but is important to remember that accounts of wars in which there was a clear victor is usually largely according to what the winning side wants believed. Think from all I have come across that in some way challenges this that the quote "MORE LIES HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT ADOLF HITLER THAN ANY OTHER MAN IN THE 20TH CENTURY" is probably correct. With leading peddlers of them Jews. Note how Hitler and associates built Germany into a strong country after the devastation of WW1 and for good reasons was regarded by many as "THE GREAT ONE". However, one thing he did early was try to get Jews out of positions of power because of their inclination to do things benefitting their own to the detriment of others. Result was political manipulating by Jews to get others fighting a war on their behalf. One example of this was what happened in Poland starting WW2 which could have been resolved peacefully but was exploited by warmongers.

"Government's purpose is to protect God-given freedoms: first of all life, and then liberty."

This is just a lame excuse after the fact.

Why should government have any purpose at all?
Did it ever ask the ordinary people whether they want it to protect their lives and/or liberty?

The author speaks of all kinds of popular freedoms such as the freedom of speech, assembly, association, property ownership, self-defense and life, but truly there should be just one and only one freedom: the freedom to not be a part of and have nothing to do with the society whom government assumes to represent.

On the other hand, if one freely volunteers to be part of a society, then there is nothing wrong about that society limiting their freedom in an agreed manner in exchange for the protection(s) it offers - a deal is a deal!

For a deal to be a deal, there obviously must be a deal: can the author or anyone else actually show our signatures on such a deal where we sacrificed our freedom in return for security?

Good post, MOX.

My interpretation of WW2 was that the Germans supported Hitler because of many reasons.

Firstly, the Treaty of Versaille stripped Germany and Austria of about 50% of their own territory, creating two new states (Poland and Czechoslovakia) from these territories. The situation in Poland was especially galling to the Germans as it essentially split Germany in two. The "Danzig corridor" was populated almost entirely by Germans who did not want to be Poles. Had the Poles relinquished the Danzig corridor (and another tiny sliver of Germany held by Poland in the South) the whole damned war might have ben averted. But they did not, because the French lied to the Poles and told them that if Germany attacked to reclaim their stolen land, they would attack Germany.

the second reason was because after WW1 when germany became a democracy, the allied powers were so intent upon punishing Germany with the harshest possible sanctions that the new German democratic government had no chance of ever getting Germany back on it's feet. So it came down to a choice between two totalitarian systems. either left wing Socialist totalitarianism or right wing Socialist totalitarianism. The majority of Germans chose right wing Socialist totalitarianism. Which system a German chose was largely a matter of class.

Lastly, I don't know if MOX's claim that German Jewish public servants were arranging things to benefit mainly Jews, but it could be true as that is usually the way all close social groups tend to operate. But one thing I think is true, is that Jews seem to have been disproportionately represented in the German Communist movement. Stalin himself dispatched two German Jews from Moscow to stir up trouble in Germany and one of the two leaders of the Communist movement in Germany was a female Jew. That is one reason why Hitler hated the Jews.

LEGO, as a NAZI apologists you do a damn fine job of trying to mitigate the evils of the ideology. Along with your tag-team partner MOX you look for scapegoats to be used to excuse, and justify the horrors of Nazism. Is this because of your stated racism and other beliefs that you are actually a supporter and a believer?

The 'Treaty of Versailles' was an attempt to punish the vanquished, but it was also a way for greedy Capitalism to obtain wealth at the expense of Germany. Its actually a myth that Germany failed because of the treaty, in fact by the late 20's, despite the harshness of Versailles, Germany had made a reasonable recovery thanks to vast American loans. Then the 'Great Depression' struck and America immediately demanded repatriation of the loans. This action by the Capitalists bankrupted Germany. With bankruptcy came mass unemployment and economic collapse. The Nazi's had failed at the 1928 election, scoring less than 3% of the vote. Hitler only obtained power in 1933 with the assistance of the moderate conservatives and the Catholics.

Hiya Paul1406, long time no see.

I am neither an apologist for left wing socialist totalitarianism, nor an apologist for right wing socialist totalitarianism. I believe in democracy, but I can see that this concept is probably doomed in the western world. To have a democracy you need a population which is smart enough to have a general agreement on what constitutes correct behaviour. With the importation of third world immigrants in ever increasing numbers, who's values, beliefs and cultural values are often diametrically opposed to that of the host white European population , that is becoming increasingly impossible.

"Diversity" literally means "division" and you only need look at the USA today to see that the world's greatest democracy is coming apart at the seams through racial division. A division stoked by the left through Tammany Hall politics and identity politics. The US division to my mind is, on one hand, the US public service, (who ran the crooked election) crime and welfare prone minorities, many white welfare recipients, spoiled rich kids with a narcissism problem, and crooked politicians. On the other, the productive white people, and those of the minorities who just happen to be smart enough to be productive, successful, law abiding, and patriotic. My sort of people.

As for your take on the Treaty of Versailles, you seem to be another lefty who can only see history through the lens of the nasty capitalists causing all the problems of the world. Sorry, where your point of view may have some validity in some situations, my reading of history was that one reason for Hitler's popularity in Germany was because he demanded that all those lands taken from Germany as war reparations be returned to Germany. I don't think that if this had been done that war would have certainly been averted. Hitler wanted to expand eastward anyway. But by not telling the Poles to hand back what was (and still is ) German land, the French and British guaranteed that they and Germany would go to war.