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As a democracy, Israel shows no moral tenet : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 29/1/2021

Mohammed El Halabi, an aid worker from Gaza, has been in prison for four years while he awaits his trial; this is nothing short of cruel absurdity.

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There are many instances of poor behaviour around the world.
People rally, and deal with them on a short term basis.
These 'band-aid' remedies are not lasting.
That is because people are motivated more by instinct (emotion) than reason?
We evolved to be like this?
Long term change requires that people begin to think and reason comprehensively for themselves.
Then, the overall 'awareness' of any group will be enhanced?
The group will then be less likely to engage in irrational acts?

We need to start with basics: who we are and what we are?
A kind of self education process.
Unfortunately, people are not geared to that.
They are more inclined to accept the 'status quo'?
To live day by day, without question, and without a pertinent long term view?
But it is reaching for well reasoned future outcomes which is the only sure path to progress?

In the meantime, we patch things up as we go along.
Without reason as a 'guiding hand', I fear that Mohammed El Halabi's prospects are not good.
I wish it were not so.
Whether they be friends or something less than friends, no person should be subjected to inhumane and/or unreasonable treatment.
I wonder if those who control him have heard of the concept of 'treating others as you yourself would be treated'?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Sunday, 31 January 2021 2:39:56 PM
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Dear Ipso Fatso,

I wonder, is it by great wisdom or by mere chance that you have hit the nail on its head, saying:

«We need to start with basics: who we are and what we are?»

This world can be likened to a school.
We come in ignorant, not knowing who and what we are, then we emerge enlightened.

Poor behaviour is a necessary part of school-life.
6-year olds cannot be expected to always be well-behaved.
But they will be well-behaved when they graduate!
When children first enter they are motivated by instincts and emotions.
But when they leave they are motivated by reason.
Then there is everything in between.

Good teachers are patient.
They understand that flowers cannot grow faster by pulling their tops.
They see generations of students come and go.
They see the students progress individually.
But they never wish the school to progress as such.
The school remains basically the same, with only small cyclical fluctuations around the school-year.
The follies of new young students will never end, yet the teacher is content.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 January 2021 10:53:55 PM
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I am paraphrasing Socrates, and the many others who put forward the same idea. 'Know Thyself'.
We evolved with instincts, which situation is common to all animals.
We also have an advanced ability to train ourselves, and to be trained.
Animals are far less able to do this, and operate mainly on basic instinct?
Schooling should expand our ability to observe and reason, and allow us to manage our instincts to our advantage.
We need to be able to control and direct them.
But not all persons are able to benefit from standard education.
Not all are born with conscience either, which is a problem for us.
Hence we have psychopaths. (sociopaths?)
Israel has a population which is very familiar with harsh treatment, and a gross lack of fair procedure.
Many have seen at first hand how odious that can be.
One would think they would be the first to be scrupulously fair in all their dealings with others.
But apparently this is not so?
Rough instinct is coming to the fore, without the guidance of logic or reason?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Monday, 1 February 2021 2:43:22 PM
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Just a further comment about training. (being taught)
It is likely that the need for schools to be the main source of early education won't change?
Indeed, we are fortunate that there are so many good and dedicated teachers who enable this situation.
But WHAT is taught, and HOW it is taught, DOES and WILL change over time.
Dare I say: 'nothing stays the same forever?'
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Monday, 1 February 2021 3:56:52 PM
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Dear Ipso Fatso,

«Dare I say: 'nothing stays the same forever?'»

Almost.

In order to observe movement, one needs a stable background.
To observe change, there needs to be this observer which does not change.

Our instincts are indeed changing. Surely when Socrates suggested that one should know oneself, he did not mean that one should merely know their fleeting instincts.

Many know their changing instincts, it does not require much.
Among them, some do train, control, direct and refine their instincts, which requires a bit more.
But only few know themselves.

Socrates would urge you to know yourself, eternally unchanging, by which both instincts and reason are known.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 1 February 2021 11:01:21 PM
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