What a surprise! "China aims to dominate the world"

China aims to dominate the world! And everywhere you look we are helping! With policies that ensure the poor and downtrodden become more so! And the elite class cozying up/doing their biding, for a few dollars more. Be it the sale of a strategic port or the B+R initiative!

Simply put, we can stand up to and compete with China, give our own a reason to expect a fairer deal from our own and not our would-be Masters!

To that end, we need to remove the tin-eared right-wing fascists from all our parliaments! Given they and the commie sympathizer element inside those walls will never ever allow the very social and economic reforms that will serve us instead of them and their corrupt cronies!

So the same caravan and BS that got us where we are today will roll on as long as a hopelessly divided nation allows it! We voted for these tickerless Bar Stewards, so don't complain if what they serve is not to your palate!

I mean when someone like D trump can command such a following and will for possible decades? And only because we focused on making the rich richer and at the expense of those with the least! To the point where the CCP seems a fairer more equitable option?

They've lifted billions out of poverty! We seem to push them into it with insane choice, policies? Then defend them with BS spin?

Go figure!
Alan B.

Alan B.,

China aims to become the leading nation in a world dominated by Chinese peoples, culture and politics.

China doesn't want to be like the United States. It wants to be like the British Empire was, with the sun never setting on a world governed through a great Chinese diaspora.

And it won't tolerate pesky countries like Australia standing in its way.

The Chinese are the second largest ethnic group in Australia and if it wasn't for the covid pandemic and subsequent dispute between China and Australia they would be well on the way to being the main ethnic group that would represent the southern limit of a great Chinese diaspora.

Mr O,

You need to start thinking about your arguments.

Chinese are the second largest ethnic group in Australia, but what do you think they represent in totality of all Australian citizens ad residents?

The other ethnic groups would counter any tendency for Chinese ethnic domination, notwithstanding the reality that many Chinese here identify as Australians.

Keep thinking though. Effort goes a long way towards unravelling your inner potential to think out and make an effective argument.

Oh dear, Oh dear, Sudhanshu: why have you mentioned only China and Islam, omitting my bad neighbour who plays horrible music at night?

Aren't Uighurs Muslim?

Please do not import to Australia your stupid dispute between doubtful followers of Sanatana Dharma and Muslims, between India and Pakistan that once were one country: Mahatma Gandhi gave his life to bring peace and stop that senseless brotherly quarrel. Even Israel is now in the process of making peace with its Muslim neighbours.

Why seek to splinter our forces? We have a formidable enemy in China, but we also have good allies: if we unite we can win!

Australian Muslims are our great asset: should China attack, they will be our best soldiers, having nothing to lose, they will not hesitate to die and become Shahids, bringing most pain and fear to the Chinese in the name of Allah. I wonder how many white Australians would be as brave.

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Dear Chris Lewis,

The author only cares about his petty Indian-version racism, so does anti-yellow Mr. Opinion. Both want to incite us into internal wars that would weaken us, so we can fall like ripe fruit into the claws of our communist Chinese enemy. I would not be surprised if both are found to be secret Chinese agents.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Yes, it is surely better to advocate working together than in looking for spurious reasons for splitting us apart.

I have no skin in the game but I certainly supported the unity of India, rather than its idiotic breaking into - so far - three different sovereign countries. Gandhi got that right.

On the other hand, it's clear to anybody with reasonable intelligence that there never will be anything remotely like a single world government: Iran and Arab countries ? Iran and Israel ? Even Sudan and South Sudan ? Ireland and Great Britain ? The Czech Republic and Slovakia (although that one does sound sensible, perhaps with Poland in the mix: No ?)

Kwame Nkrumah advocated fiercely for one Africa - 'Africa Must Unite' he wrote fifty years ago. So how did that go ?

Certainly, similar systems of equal rights for men and women, for minorities, etc., yes. But that won't require single governments. [Discuss]

But Australia and NZ ? The US and Canada ? The US and Mexico ? China and Japan ?

Move on. Yes, surely it is better that countries - sovereign countries - co-operate rather than go to war. But since merging almost anywhere is so unlikely, then co-operating as sovereign nations is probably the most than can ever be achieved in political relations.

But yes, we do need to work together in the S-E Asian/Southern Asian regions, to contain China back within reasonable bounds. Surely it's possible to bring Vietnam, the Philippines, Thailand, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and the South Pacific nations together as a economic and political bloc ?

Joe

Joe. Well argued mate.

Let's not forget the real enemy within that indisputably serves the interests of China is poverty and inherent inequality! And we can turn all that around without making anyone poorer than they are now or less equal!

The above-aforementioned enemies are the common foe we must destroy if we would remain an independent sovereign nation!

There's a group who believe that doing the above includes handouts and a higher tax burden for the rich elite!

Nothing could be further from the truth! This economic ar against poverty and inequality is done with a universal lower tax rate that everyone above a generous tax-free threshold, all pay. The rest is done via cooperative capitalism and vastly expanded economic opportunity we can all benefit from, rather than price gouging, tax-avoiding, profit repatriating foreign multinationals

It really is that simple and as difficult for the same old devotees welded to the current fundamentally flawed economic choices and policies!

That some argue against the above/can't see it, will not see it in a blue fit, tells who and what our real enemy is!

GREED DRIVEN. BUTT-LICKING SYNCOPHANTS ALL MASQUERADING AS FOLK WHO GIVE A RATS!
Alan B

The US has not achieved “global predominance and hegemony” through “peaceful and democratic means”. It has done so through the sheer weight of its unscrupulous intelligence and its brutal military. In the last seven decades the US has invaded or bombed dozens of countries and instigated coups against dozens of foreign governments. It has sought to crush scores of people’s liberation movements and interfered in scores of foreign elections. It spends billions every year on its military and has over 800 military bases around the globe. It has rarely been at peace throughout its 240 year history and is without doubt the most warlike nation in the history of the world. This is how it has achieved world dominance; peace and democracy have nothing to do with it.

China in contrast has a comparatively peaceful past, especially considering the long stretch of its history and of its borders. To assert that it has “always resorted to aggression and conquest in its international relations” is incorrect. There have been provocations and border disputes, but very little in the way of bombing and invasion. China has not invaded another country for over forty years, in which time the US has been in a perpetual state of war.

There is no evidence whatever at this stage that China “produced” the Coronavirus as a bio-weapon and “released” it from a Wuhan laboratory. The origins of Covid-19 have not yet been established and until they are it is malicious and defamatory to make such claims.

Dear Joe,

Thank you, I agree with everything you said.

Hi Bronwyn,

"China has not invaded another country for over forty years ...."

Wow, forty years. How many other countries can claim that ? Well, most of them can actually. And I don't think that the various armed disputes between China and India, China and Vietnam, China and Indonesia, China and South Korea, China and Japan, would square with that assertion.

Nor would China's seizure of atolls and shoals right up to the territories of some countries, in contravention of the International Law of the Seas, not to mention turning them into military bases, fit your claim.

Sorry :)

Joe

Catfight!

The Shanghai Serpent v Guangzhou Joe.

<< Wow, forty years. How many other countries can claim that ? Well, most of them can actually. >>
Well, on my count, at least 40 of them certainly cannot make that claim ... and that is a lot. I only made the point to demonstrate that China is not the aggressive and warlike nation Sudhanshu Tripathi asserted it to be.

<< And I don't think that the various armed disputes between China and India, China and Vietnam, China and Indonesia, China and South Korea, China and Japan, would square with that assertion. >>
My point stands, China has not invaded any of these countries in the last 40 years.

<< Nor would China's seizure of atolls and shoals right up to the territories of some countries, in contravention of the International Law of the Seas, not to mention turning them into military bases, fit your claim. >> These actions are not invasions. China claims them to be defensive. It sees the South China Sea as its natural territory. I doubt it would ever have built bases there if it hadn't itself been surrounded by 400 US bases and provoked by US incursions in its sea and air space.

<< Catfight! >>
No, Mr Opinionated, it's called debate. Watch and learn!

Whatever you reckon Shanghai Serpent.

MR O, while I share concern about the rise of the CCP, I think Bronwyn does have points that cannot be ignored.

Yes, we can defend liberal democracy, and the importance of liberalism, but I think criticism of the US has to force us to rise to a higher level within our arguments.

There is a thread by ttbn that criticizes the humanities. There is indeed a need for professional scholars to lift their game.

I certainly will aim to try to lift my own game (as an unpaid student of politics) in the next few months when I offer my contributions to OLO when talking about the threat of China from a western perspective.

Hi Bronwyn,

Hmmmm ...... China is militarising the Scarborough Shoals, barely 120 miles from Manila.

It is pushing Vietnam out of the Paracel Islands to monopolise the oil deposits there.

It is interfering with Indonesian fishing boats way down in the Riau Islands, almost to Singapore.

It is challenging South Korea and Japan for control of islands up that way.

It is pushing Indian troops out of the Aksai Chin, west of Tibet.

And is militarising shoals in the South Seas, a long way from China.

Not to mention constantly provoking Taiwan by flying within its air space.

Or its oppression of the Uighur and other ethnic groups in Xinjiang.

Sorry :(

Of course, you won't hear anything about this from Misop as a Chinese agent provocateur and troll.

Joe

Foul-Mouth

And while you're at it tell her about how China buys up other countries' assets and transmigrates its nationals to those other countries in large numbers with the aim of creating pro-China enclaves that will serve the ancestral homeland when called upon to do so.

We have been witnessing this in Australia over the past several decades.

Yes, Joe, a list like this can be used to paint China as an aggressor, I agree, but in reality the situation is far less clear-cut than you present it to be. The islands and shoals you’ve referred to are all disputed territories and very few if any have clear evidence of ownership.

And besides, as I’ve already pointed out several times, China is responding to aggression: it has not initiated it. The US announced its Pivot to Asia at the end of 2011 and since then has aggressively conducted regular and provocative air and naval patrols in the area and encouraged other navies to join it in its euphemistically-named Freedom of Navigation exercises. China has experienced the ravages of Western imperialism over many centuries. It has witnessed US interference in numerous nations around the world over the last seven decades and the plundering and exploitation of their resources. The US has surrounded China with hundreds of military bases. China knows exactly what the US is capable of and while I don’t agree with militarisation anywhere, I can understand why China is building up its military defences in the South China Sea. America is gunning for China and China is defending itself. Painting China as the aggressor is simplistic and wrong. Vietnam and Taiwan have also militarised islands in the region and yet this is being completely ignored by the US.

When it comes to both Hong Kong and Taiwan, the US is deliberately undermining both of their previously stable relationships with China. It’s pouring huge amounts of money into stirring up unrest in both places, purely to provoke China. So again, China’s actions in regard to both Hong Kong and Taiwwan are defensive, not offensive. They would not be occurring, if it hadn’t been for US provocation in the first place.
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TBC ...

Continued ...

And finally, regarding the Uygurs, again the situation is much more complex and much less horrific than the Western mainstream media paint it to be. There is certainly no ‘genocide’ as Mike Pompeo claimed today. The Uygurs have presented a very real terrorist threat to China, which it is trying to deal with as best it can. The US has no qualms; it just bombs its perceived terrorist threats. China doesn’t. It has quite lawfully and properly set up vocational education and training centres. It’s released many White Papers on its counter-terrorism and de-radicalization efforts and has been completely open about its aims and its progress. There has been much misinformation circulated about Xinjiang. It has all stemmed from a couple of pathetically small and unrepresentative studies funded by US Intelligence agencies and regurgitated without corroboration in the NY Times and Washington Post.

I know you will be skeptical of many or most of my arguments. Hopefully though, at least some of them might lead you to do some checking and some independent reading and to gradually develop a deeper and more realistic understanding of the situation.

I TOLD YOU SO:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-23/china-flies-nuclear-capable-bombers-and-jets-over-taiwan-waters/13086192

I have a good idea of what the Chinese are trying to do.

They don't want to be seen as the one provoking a war. They want the other guy to be held responsible.

If I'm correct then China is putting itself in the firing line in the hope that Taiwan will fire a missile at one of its planes that cross into Taiwanese airspace.

China could then claim it retaliated against Taiwanese aggression and invade Taiwan.

Same with Australia where the Chinese are badgering Australia re trade hope Australia will do something that they can blame Australia for and retaliate in some manner. Maybe if Australia refuses to supply China with certain resources then China will invade Australia claiming it had to do so to protect its source of supply.

Everyone knows what the Chinese are like: as cunning as a shithouse rat.

Dear Mr. Opinion,

«China is putting itself in the firing line in the hope that Taiwan will fire a missile at one of its planes that cross into Taiwanese airspace.»

Why only one?!

They should all be destroyed.
Yes, China is cunning as a shithouse rat but we are no orphans either - let the war begin!