NGO's should be abolished everywhere. No society needs such a thing as a Collective Against Islamophobia in France. It does nothing to combat discrimination against Muslims. These things just cause more resentment and division; and they are platforms for activists and trouble makers, like all NGOs, no matter what their obsessions and political extremes. Divisive, leftist troublemakers the lot of them.

Of course the French government will be "accused of undermining the three aforesaid universally accepted human rights." But most people in France and elsewhere would be pleased to see that Macron is getting something right. We need the same thing done in Australia.

Islamophobia is not about protecting muslims, it is all about stopping
infidels criticising Islam.
Anyone who thinks otherwise should try making comment about the
crimes against Christians in Pakistan and Africa and everywhere else.
Make a comment about "Honor" killing.
Criticise Islamic beliefs about women and you will find yourself accused of Islamophobia.

That is what it is really about.

"Islamophobia is not about protecting muslims, it is all about stopping
infidels criticising Islam".

Right on, Bazz; you speak the truth.

I disagree with the Author's take. For the reason, these organisations have been weaponised by extremists. As has police surveillance. The extremists should be given no quarter until they are all gone. Be they right-wing extremists, neo-nazis or Islamic infidels!
Alan B.

Has there ever been a human rights activist, who was not about taking something off the ordinary citizen, & giving it to their chosen people.

If their has I've never seen them.

Yeah, Hasbeen. Some are even advocating for an irrevocable bill of human rights! Consider what we'd lose then eh!?

They cannot be allowed to succeed! Imagine what they could do then? A citizen's initiated referendum!? We simply cannot allow that!

Next thing you know they'll be wanting free and fair elections and their fair share of the economic pie!?

What'll we do then? Go out and earn our own money with our own bare hands? It's nightmare on elm street for real, isn't it!?

Alan B.

The author studiously fails to mention the event http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty

that triggered this reaction of the French Government.

Macron has at last been made to face Islamic terrorism straight up.
He like many western politicians have been very soft on actions by
the Islamist activists. Many are unaware that there is an average of
two attacks on Churches in France every day.
In Sweden there was up to about October over 200 explosions. The
majority in Malmo a Muslim no go area.
In France despite the killings over the last few years Macron was
very mealy mouthed about criticising Muslims.
They were quite strong on Islamophobia however and in Britain the
thought police are quite active if anyone who made Islamophobic remarks.

That the police in the UK were held back from going after the
Islamic rape gangs said it all. It took a newspaper campaign to get
the police to move on them.
It is utter rubbish to even suggest that Islamophobia about
discrimination against muslims.

Alan you are a fool. You are never interested in discussing things reasonably, merely chucking insults around.

I an a great believer in human rights, but for every one, not the selected few as always pushed by activists. I'd certainly vote for citizen initiated referendum, but you would never know anything about most as you are only interested in chucking insults, from your chip on the shoulder disposition.

Time to try to grow up a bit boy.

I wasn't insulting anyone, Hasbeen, just using irony to make some valid points. As for abuse that's is your forte first up and often!

Like trump lovers, I see you and he as kindred spirits? And I doubt you will be all that surprised when the investigators prove to the world, he is little more than a cunning crime boss with his cohort of crazies around him, clearly trying to steal an election.

The republicans are famous now for their gerrymanders and voter suppression? Guess you see that as ok too?

As for me no amount of BS or barely disguised personal abuse will prevent me from calling it out or as I see it!

Inaccurate labelling as a chip on shoulder won't cut it or make true, however, that'll never succeed or prevent me from calling it out as I see it! And with vigour and robust advocacy! You can try to turn my passion for natural justice into a chip on shoulder? To reiterate, that BS label will never make it true!

Good to know you like a citizen's initiated referendum.

Something I'm also in favour of, smaller government, genuine tax reform, and bill of irrevocable human rights! My tax reform (a flat tax of 15%) would eliminate the middleman parasites and put that tax compliance money back in the hands of those who've earned it.

Moreover, with the tax compliance money not removed, that money or an average 7% returned to the bottom line, the effective adjusted tax rate would be 8%!

So I suspect we're not that far apart, just I just don't do the exploitation of others as well or the BS or the Trump-like, me, me, me.

Anyhow, have a happy holiday, go do something you like and let's just agree to disagree agreeably. It'll probably be far more productive of our limited remaining time here?
Alan B.

Human Rights for whom ? The inhumane humans too ??

Individual.

Human rights must be for all! And the inhumane must be called to account for what they own! Whenever, wherever possible!

No BS argument can be allowed to prevent either outcome, given we have any ability to affect either, either outcomes, have some effective sway, with what we have!

Denying irrevocable human rights to the many on account of, a few inhumane might get the same? SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE WAY OR OR PREVENT NATURAL JUSTICE! Nor BS argument!
Alan B.

Alan B,
I don't know why you see the need to state that TO STAND IN THE WAY OR OR PREVENT NATURAL JUSTICE should never be allowed. One would think that goes without saying !
I don't think anyone is actually saying that.
Judging by the many inhumane getting away with their ways it is however weird how natural justice is not made use of unless of course you mean natural justice is doing nothing ?

Individual. I say what I mean and mean what I say! Don't speak in riddles that need to be analysed for their true meaning! No need to try and read anything else in! Particularly what I didn't say!

What I did say was, in effect, I would not allow the fact that a few inhumane folks got their human rights validated, should never be used to deny the rest of us or irrevocable human rights being enshrined in our constitution! You may want something else?

Every day we get denied something we should have as a basic guaranteed human right (food, shelter, an education) because a few bad apples may also profit. And all too often do? And that simply has to include a cadre of patently corrupt politicians?

Best wishes for the season.
Alan B.

.... should never be used to deny the rest of us or irrevocable human rights....
Alan B,
Shouldn't these things work both ways ?
Oh what a mess ideologies have gotten us into !

The difficulty the French have run into is that to Muslims it is not
allowed to criticise Islam, Mohammad or Allah and this is considered
blasphemous and contrary to Sharia law.
The Islamic organisation proposed an offense called Islamophobia which
they said is to protect muslims from accusations and criticisms.
However its real purpose is to prevent free speech that criticises
Islam and Muslims.
That is why the muslims were so angry that Macron denounced the man
that decapitated that teacher. They consider that criticism to be
Islamophobia.

Reminds me of a scene in one of those river travel shows recently on TV where a passenger asked the Captain if those 20 statues on a hill were Hares. The Captain replied that he was certain they were Rabbits because when he passed the same hill only days earlier there were only 8.
As the saying goes 'in the beginning there were two'.

Individual. Shouldn't it work both ways? You mean it doesn't now or we can cherry-pick which group we allow to have natural justice and human rights?

As for ideologies? Who needs to lock their mind away in one of those mental boxes. If we would deny any race or culture their basic human rights due to the heinous activities of an internal minority. Nobody would get any!

If we would refuse to honour those already granted because of white supremacists, the KKK or nutters like Bryan, who shot up a Hobart restaurant or that other crazy who shot men and women at prayer in a Christchurch Mosque. Or those who did a similar thing in Charlestown USA, etc. We would punish whole countries, for the excesses of a few crazies.

Ideologies should be banned or registered as a hate crime, going somewhere to happen, given some classic outcomes? When they swing too far to the right,i.e., Nazism/fascism or too far to the left, communism?

None of who would grant a bill of human rights to their citizenry! Be they led by Joe Stalin or Herr Hitler, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, President Putin and several others cut from similar cloth!

And given that's so, ample reasons for ensuring we do! We are none of the above and don't need to ape their behaviour or example! And no credible reason for denying the Australian public a long-overdue bill of irrevocable human rights!

We can always send/ship the crazies to Devil's Island or similar exile? Can't we? Then let them loose on each other !? Appropriate or what?
Alan B.

Well Alan...

Talk about hypocrisy, “We can always send/ship the crazies to Devil's Island or similar exile? Can't we? Then let them loose on each other !? Appropriate or what?”

This from the man who has numerous times strongly advocated for the ‘nuking’ of various nations or peoples whose ideology Alan doesn’t agree with...go figure, under international law this is called a crime against humanity and a war crime,

Make up your confused little mind Alan, you can’t have it both ways.

I know your ilk Alan...can you please send OLO a postcard when you get to Devils Island, thanks

Galen

Alan B,
How do you manage not to see what's going on ? Haven't you learned yet that the more the Westerners get educated/dumbed down the more vogue compassion they feel & the more they feed the mouths that bite their hands ?

Galen. you as usual massively exaggerate. Bit cold in St Petersburg today, is it?

My advocacy for nuclear weapons has been small tactical and to make border-hopping a thing of the past. And I'd use them o concentrations of border hopping Taliban to ensure they and their heinous stone-age culture, were as much as possible, eliminated from the face of the earth.

I'd get no pleasure from this act, which I see as removing a malignant tumour with surgical precision. Nothing more!

Our own crazies need to be sent somewhere where the only victims they can harm are each other, ever!

I see no claimed hypocrisy in either of those two positions! But massive disingenuous mendacity in your qualifications of my stated position.

Tactical nuclear weapons have a kill zone about a mile wide and ideal for closing borders to border-hopping evil personified, Murders and Rapists/Taliban.

It would not be the first time we have used nuclear weapons and justified as the lesser of two evils and overall massively reduced loss of life!

A position I don't resile from! Particularly now the Russians have placed a bounty on every US soldiers head in Afghanistan, collectible for the Taliban!
Alan B.

Are all nuclear weapons of the mass destruction type ? Couldn't we have small ones just to get troublesome elements out of circulation ?

Hiya Alan B.

Where you write "or nutters like Bryan, who shot up a Hobart restaurant".

I've consulted the best gerontoligists and nuclear chemists in the land who advise:

"Time for your post-dotage spoonful of Thorium, skipper."

Your false memory pertains to one Martin BryanT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

who murdered 35 people and injured 23 others in PORT ARTHUR Tasmania, on 28-29 April 1996.

He is concurrently serving 35 life sentences, plus 1,035 years.

Becoming famous on this OLO thread clearly has some costs in accuracy whatever your good intentions.

Cheers

Pete

Hi Pete,

Well, you're both right:

http://portarthur.org.au/dining/1830-restaurant-and-bar/

From memory, many if not most of the innocent victims of that bastard were shot in the restaurant.

I hope he lives a very, very long life.

Joe

Hi Joe

Another thing.

Bryant's "first victims, [were] David and Noelene Martin, [who] owned the bed and breakfast guest house called Seascape." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant#Port_Arthur_massacre

While visiting Port Arthur my first wife and I spent 2 great days at Seascape, just a few months before Bryant murdered David, Noelene and 33 poeple at Port Arthur.

David and Noelene were the nicest, most caring hosts I've come across.

Here's hoping Bryant dies long and painfully, in remorse.

Pete

Bad outcomes invariably follow when educated people exploit the uneducated masses !

Individual,

You really are a moron. What has that got to do with the deaths of 35 people ?

For the good of the country, please stay, pig-ignorant, on your pissy little desert island.

Joe

Alan B
At last, Macron is showing some sense and some guts in getting tough on these ,enabling radical Muslim groups,in the guise of human rights. I always thought he was a fairy-wuss,brainwashed at school with stupid leftist ideology. Even he has had enough of the constant terrorist attacks in France.

Cutting the throat of a teacher because he said something mildly critical of the fundamentalist extremism of the Muslim religion. Why do they come to France and expect the French to believe in Islam.
Stay in their own Islamic countries if they want to practice unquestioned Islam. They are incompatible as immigrants into France.

It’s no good practicing kindness and civil liberties to people who don’t grant the same back to you. It has to work both ways. At last people are waking up that these groups are attacking us constantly, under the guise of human rights and fake racist claims
It is they who are most racist, hiding this behind these smoke and mirror accusation groups.

As Pres Trump said in his speech to the United Nations, Americans are pulling out of foreign wars. We will look after America now, and you can look after your people.

Why is it expected that America
is the country that always has to give endlessly to every other country in the world.
Professor Jordan Peterson, said he was surprised to find recently that the world is 50% less in poverty than it was about 60 years ago. A lot of that is because the Western world has donated foreign aid so generously around the world, the bill containing the
$600 Covid stimulus money in America also contains $85billion in aid to dozens of other countries.

Also China was a very poor third world country, about 60 years ago before they came out to Australia&America to our Universities. We sent them back as Doctors, scientists,
Dentists, and engineers. You name it, they were trained in Western universities in the professional and work skills.

President Trump, (without including all the stolen votes), got 11million more votes in this election than in 2016. Plus he got 3 million more votes than Obama got when he won his 2nd term.

No way Biden pulled in that number of votes. He could only get 6 people at his rallies.
One rally I saw, there was just one person there.

The Democrats got caught vote rigging, because Pres Trump’s win was so massive.
They had probably planned to win by cheating but they hadn’t counted on the sheer overwhelming number of votes that President Trump got, so they
had to scramble to make up millions more votes.

A New York Truck driver said, “he was hired to deliver 180,000 ballots from New York, out to a County Depo somewhere”. He said he got suspicious because they wouldn’t let him leave the depot. He had to hang around for 3 hours,until another
van came and picked them up. He said he has never had to wait like that before and thought something strange was going on.

They have found some places have 130,000 more votes counted than are actually registered as living in the area.

One witness saw a woman scanning the same ballot through the computer 5 times, She was doing it with every ballot for an amount of time.
When challenged she shouted and abused the woman for questioning her.
They have had 53,000 witnesses who have voluntarily come forward and signed Affidavits with different accounts of vote fraud, they witnessed, even Democrat voters.

Two witnesses is enough to convict in a murder case.

Biden, President? the fool on the hill knows that’s not true.plus the 90million voters who voted for Trump. The left needs to wake up, that they are doing something wrong and they are out of step with the American people. Instead, they think they are the clever,elites and they are smarter than the people. Or more likely they are covering up all the corruption that was allowed to go on, under the Clintons and Obama.
Trying to stay out of jail.

Cherful. Biden did not get caught rigging anything but won by around 7 million legally authenticated votes, i.e., the popular vote and a majority of the college votes.

had there been any credible evidence of fraud or rigging? It would have been presented as bona fide evidence before a court of law! And that includes around 60 or so times suits were filed!?

Clearly, if any are trying to steal an election it is Trump and a tad over a hundred sycophantic spittle-lick Republicans, neo-Nazi stooges and a handful of crazies? And they have resorted to every tactic in their bogus armoury to change any outcome?

Lies told by serial liars and sociopaths will never ever change that or the outcome Jan 20, 2021!

I'm not calling you a serial Liar Madam/Sir. But if the cap fits?

By the way, a bit cold in Se Petersburg today isn't it?
Alan B.

Thanks for that Pete, stand corrected It was Bryant, not Bryan. Best wishes for 2021! By the way, speaking of our daily dose of thorium. One of its virtually free byproducts is the miracle cancer cure, Bismuth 312.

We lose over 2 million people to treatable cancer (bismuth 213) every year, globally, an annual global pandemic, simply because we don't have any currently operating, clean, safe thorium NSR's! And power for around 1 cent PKWH!

Imagine what would happen to energy dependant manufacturing in this country if we but had the brains to back competing co-op operated thorium MSR's!

Why is that?

Possibly because our pollies are owned by big corporations and or powerful vested interests with very different interests/agendas? If there is any other credible explanation it escapes me!

Other than bismuth 213 coming as a virtually free byproduct of carbon-free MSR thorium, we can make it in minuscule amounts bombarding radium with particles in a collider. And as million-dollar medicine!
Cheers, Alan B.

No worries Alan B.

Glad to see you on the ball and full of alternative nuclear technology fight.

In a strange twist of fate the world currently/mostly looks to China to develop commercially viable Thorium TMSRs http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/molten-salt-reactors.aspx

Cheers

Pete

Back on topic TERRORISM and so-called "HUMAN RIGHTS" in FRANCE

This whole French Government reaction was triggered by:

The murder of Samuel Paty, a French school teacher, on 16 October 2020 in Paris.

Paty was killed and BEHEADED by an Islamist terrorist in view of the school children.

Macron said that the teacher "was killed for teaching children freedom of speech".

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty

Multisubject thread as usual, but not to worry;
Many have been predicting the situation with muslims in Europe for
some years now, and not least by the muslims. Even Kaddafi predicted
it, Europe would become Islamic in a generation or two without a war.
One other leader said the best weapons they have are the wombs of their women.

2nd subject:
It is interesting to note that more people are coming to the
understanding that wind, solar and batteries are not going to do the job.

I have a friend like that who when I met him even laughted at my
suggestion that the renewables were unable to do it as they were the
cheapest generators of electricity. At first he latched onto batteries
until I asked him where will the power come from to recharge them ?

Many, even those who are irradessant green are becoming convinced that
nuclear will be the only way to go.
However there is a massive catch 22 involved;
If we press ahead with w/s/b we will spend so much money to find out
it doesn't work there will be no money to build nuclear and the co2
generated trying to build w/s/b will exceed the Paris agreements anyway !
If the Paris agreements are enforced they won't even attempt to build w/s/b !
It really is a no win, no win situation.

loudmouth2,
You'd better visit Bryant to ease your frustrations, I hear he likes chocolate so, better take some !

"Experts" the sociologist type in particular have not only failed us miserably, they have been the cause of most harm outside actual war.
How many times has it been said that TV/Cinema violence leads to a deadening of morals yet, the 'experts' haven't moved a finger to curb this trend & one could be forgiven to think, actually condone this industry !
Look at the insanity of TV advertising, the insane frequency of playing promos etc. Is it any wonder people 'lose it' at some stage ? Look at the Tax system, look at Law & order & the most insidious of all PC ! All controlled by 'experts' !
Look at how many are against enforcing discipline ? Only last night on the news i saw a young woman just before she boarded a flight if she was going to self quarantine. On national TV she said 'No'. Why wasn't she prevented from boarding ? These people are the first to scream when things go awry ! We need to work on people adopting a more considerate mentality !