My take on the Chinese developing Daru as a "fishing port" is because it is yet another way China can intimidate Australia.

It is clear that the Chinese Fascist Party has chosen to use Australia as an example of what it will do to any other independent country which dares to oppose the global ambitions that China has for world domination. China is using the tactics that Hannibal used to defy the Roman Empire. If China can't directly take the USA on at the moment because the USA is just too strong, then do a Hannibal and attack the US's allies. Australia as a strong US ally then becomes very attractive as a target.

The funniest thing about this whole sad affair is that the Chinese Fascist Party seems completely unaware of how it's bullying actions are being seen around the world. Free nations everywhere are supporting Australia because we are the bird in the mineshaft and every other free nation on earth knows that if China succeeds in bullying Australia into political submission, they are next.

The idiots running China right now also seem unaware that business is based upon trust. If they break free trade agreements with a trading partner, causing economic distress to independent suppliers of goods and services, nobody in their right mind is going to want to do business with China, regardless of what the initial financial inducements may be.

Lastly, it seems strange that so many people are upset about the loss of our $14 billion coal trade to China, saying how bad this is for our economy. But $14 billion dollars is exactly what Australia throws away in aid every year to PNG who's corrupt politicians just sold Australia down the river. End all Australian financial aid to PNG until they reverse this "fishing rights to China "decision.

The Chinese Trojan Horse so long ago entered Australia, its remnants lay in a rotting heap of Chinese owned port facilities, control of the Victorian Government, outright ownership of our best farming lands, and a huge swathe of prime Australian real estate.

Should it even be mentioned, in addition, the suspect politicians past and present, utilising their position of power to engage in back hander deals with China, to feather their own nest.

We increasingly live in a world where nothing can be taken at face value, and the trust factor evaporates at lightening speed, the further up the cherry tree the ladder reaches.

Dan

LEGO

We have nothing to worry about now, since Trump was replaced by an escapee from the dementia ward of the local nursing home.

This fact no doubt, facilitates the speedy end to any serious opposition from the US against Chinese intrusion into Asia, which of course includes Australia.

Australia is currently ripe for the picking; how long China put off the picking process only remains to be seen.

Dan

diver dan,
Yep ! I recall being ridiculed for telling people that when the Goaf & Co provided PNG with self Govt plus $1.2 million/day ever since.
I recall Pauline Hanson being crucified by the Lefties & I suppose I'll be ridiculed by these 'educated' morons for years to come when I tell them how they're ruining Australia !

With friends like PNG, who needs enemies! Perhaps they will be asked to refund all the aid money they have had from us. Nah. Our spineless government will not say boo. And why would they when they have sold off so much off Australia to China.

And, no commercial fishing grounds close to this new Chinese threat. Do we actually have any form of intelligence agency that should have known about this appearance of a deadly enemy 2OO kilometres from our coast? Do we have any form of intelligence at all in Australia? There certainly is none in Canberra. When even an old lefty like Warren Entsch is concerned, it has to be regarded as a serious matter.

It's time Morrison and his fellow halfwits put the country on a war footing with China.

Individual

The new world will commence with Chinas Asia opposing Americas Europe.

There will be no help from there for Australia, only good wishes and farewells as our boat is kicked off from the wharf.

Dan

The threat is clear.

The question is what can we now do. The author provided no answer.

Australia has far too long been shy of nuclear weapons - Israel has them, which is what allows it to bomb any Iranian "enterprise" in neighbouring Syria before Iran can approach closer to Israel's border.

We can and of course we must, demand PNG to decide which side they are on, but what can we do if they choose China? Without nuclear backing, the little that would be left for us should PNG side with the enemy, is a regional (including India, Japan and Indonesia) economic boycott of PNG.

Vae Victis!

FOR HOW LONG HAS MR OPINION BEING SAYING THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

And now you have a Chinese base within stone's throw of Australia's northern border.

And the sad part is that the enemy (because that's what China has now become) is already inside the gate.

Foul-Mouth said that half a million Chinese in Australia are non-Australian and you can add that they owe their allegiance to China not Australia. How many of them have been planted here by China as agents and operatives?

And have a look as this news item from today:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/thunderbird-mineral-sands-mine-gets-chinese-buy-in-approval-from-foreign-investment-review-board/ar-BB1bXx63

THEY'RE STILL SELLING OFF THE COUNTRY TO THE CHINESE.

As one Chinese woman in Sydney was overheard saying: "Aren't the Australians dumb."

Lady, they sure are!

The latest news on the Morrison government's inability or unwillingness to deal with China is that they are actually paying, with Australian taxpayer funds, local Chinese to work in, and spy on, our embassy in China. There have also been news reports of Chinese spying in Australia, and being caught at it. After the initial report - deadly silence. There should be, by now, a realisation by even the most tragic bed wetters who think China is lovely and our friend, that it isn't so, and that little faith can be put in the Morrison government to handle the situation.

Yuyutsu,

I would say that PNG has already chosen China. Just like Morrison naively thinking that renouncing the Kyoto climate credits would gain kudos with the climate Tsars, (they slapped him in the face, wanting more), so it will be with this situation. Australians are not taking him seriously. Why would foreigners? And when I say 'Australians' I mean Australians at large, not the usual OLO suspects

Seems like economic blackmail to me. Even so, if we fail to meet this challenge with a counter-proposal. Like a huge onshore hatchery and myriad onshore fish farms?

We could have alleged fishing vessels in our northern border regions gathering electronic intell and or disguised gunboats. And hardly a new idea! Canberra can sit on her hands until it's a done deal.

Prevaricating and thundering at the dispatch box, won't cut it! But the likely response from the jelly-backs now in positions of power!?

Simply put, we cannot allow this to occur and need to respond in other ways like, retrospectively reversing all Chinese land, infrastructure, real estate purchases/deals that did not get a stamp of approval from the foreign investment authority!

Whatever tariffs China imposes, we need to respond doubled by the month on ALL Chinese imports. And urge all our friends to do likewise. If China is planning a war? We shouldn't help by providing either the funding or materials

The level of current hostility demands no less! Moreover, many Chinese nationals here onshore need to be kept under surveillance or have their visas revoked for the reason of open hostility already unmistakably evident.

Little advantage allowing the CCP to station a large portion of the people's army here inside our borders, while this open hostility increases almost daily. And until the position is clarified we need to simply stop send metals ores and fuel to China, least they are returned as high-velocity projectiles, sometime soon?
Alan B.

Absolutely agree with Yuyutsu! And with extremely urgent alacrity!
Alan B.

Alan B.

I still think the Chinese invasion will come from the south, not the north.

I think China wants people to think it will come from the north.

But the initial plan will be to throw a curtain across the north of Australia to prevent any assistance getting through to Australia from the North.

Australia, not Taiwan, will be the first to come under Chinese hegemony.

HOW LONG HAS MR OPINION BEEN SAYING THAT AUSTRALIA HAS A CHINESE FUTURE?

Whitlam's legacy !

individual,

No, Abbott's stupidity!

Mr Opinion,
Abbott didn't commit to PNG Independence at $1.2 mill/day ! That's solely down to the Whitlam Govt.
His mate Grasby's legacy is in the western suburbs of Sydney !

India is building 16 new factories in Chennai with a view to throwing off the Chinese yoke. What are we doing? Just talking about it!

individual,

No, Abbott just sold us out to China for a box of raw unpeeled onions.

Remember what he said when he signed us up to the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement: "it's good for Australia."

Problem is everyone starting clapping so loudly they couldn't hear his full statement:

"It's good for Australia, it's even better for China."

"It's good for Australia, it's even better for China."
Mr Opinion,
Yes, and ? What's your point ? Australians couldn't sell fast enough, you can't blame China for that !
If it it weren't for those insane unions & greed in general, all those raw materials could have been processed here & the finished product sold to anyone who wanted it.
Same goes for all the Silica from Australia. Why don't they process as much as necessary here & then sell ?
I tell you why that doesn't happen. Australians don't have the patience for future-building, that's why !

Do a bit of study before you gnash your teeth fellow commenters.

Despite the author's No Daru Fishing Industry message, the entry for Daru, Daru Island, PNG,

last updated 31 August 2020 (before the Chinese project) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daru_Island reads:

"The main industry on the island is fishing..."

PNG will make its own deals, as its sovereign right, perhaps to its own detriment given I doubt the CCP has any interest beyond its own to maximise the advantage for China.

But, it is all over for any stupid notion that Australia and the West can any longer embrace China under the CCP.

Australia and the West, after years of promoting freer trade, will have to learn that such a trend merely gave rise to a powerful mercantile nation determined to uphold its own national interest.

Both the left and right, represented by politics, the public service and think tanks, have failed badly with regard to the rise of China. Australia has lacked intellectual leadership by putting short-term gain ahead of longer term consequences.

All that matters now is how Australia and the West respond.

How the developing world responds, with its increasing reliance on the CCP, will also raise issues for themselves.

I still have faith in Western societies, so I largely ignore defeatism (and Mr O).

There is a train of thought emerging that China's behaviour will hurt its own economy most of all, and that the behaviour is uniting more and more countries against them.

Chris Lewis decides a simple course is to ignore Chinese incursions,
If that particular view is acceptable, then it’s a simple choice to raise the white flag.
However, that view ignores history and it’s lessons from historical consequences.

But, if a continuation of the historic view of Australia, where that history includes wars against the same Asian invaders, the Japanese, is the imperative. Then his view is treasonous.

We still celebrate ANZAC day for good reason.

Dan

Hi Dan,

don't talk bs.

I never said anything of the kind.

End of day, PNG will make its decisions. It is called reality.

Do you know what reality is?

Aust and the West can try and counter CCP aid, it can build military bases with support from allies, it can impose economic sanctions and tariffs, it can basically do what it likes as other countries do.

However, Australia is generally committed to a world order created by the West, and will always be more effective when working with real and potential allies.

Problem is that task is now that much harder.

But, at end of the day, a developing country will make its own mind up, as many have for many decades since 1945.

Lets hope PNG gets the balance right.

As for Chinese fishing in our waters, I am sure the CCP will test the waters given the scum they are.

Chris Lewis,

As much as you attempt to dye the white flag, it’s not working.

Over on today’s thread, I’ve discussed exactly the realities and how our Government can’t be trusted to get it right.

Dan

says you.

Your r a nutter, so I am hardly bothered.

Slightly off topic. Here are some insights from a knowledgable Western anti-China source:

"This week, the Australian, Sky News Australia, and Britain’s Daily Mail all ran stories about a list of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) members in Shanghai. The list, which appears to date to 2016, is an interesting data source for researchers. But the somewhat hysterical tone of the stories shows how easily unnecessary panic can be created, even about as serious an issue as CCP influence.

The stories described a “state-sponsored spy ring,” called the presence of party members in foreign firms “infiltration,” and presented the list as a dramatic new development. None of this is true.

The presence of CCP cells in Western companies operating branches in China is unremarkable. The party’s constitution requires companies with three or more members to form a cell. Cells are much less prevalent in foreign firms than in domestic firms. In the majority of cases, cell meetings are tedious box-ticking affairs, although they’ve increasingly become a tool of direct influence inside private business under President Xi Jinping. Foreign firms have raised concerns about party cells influencing business decisions under the new regime, but their presence is well known.

Equally, consulates and embassies have always been aware that some staff are CCP members, but that doesn’t make them any more of a risk than other local hires. All mainland Chinese citizens are subject to pressure to spy from state security forces, and foreign embassies recognize that. The Australian’s story claimed as a scoop that hiring for consulates in Shanghai goes through a government-run body. But this is the case in every Chinese city—for both consulates and foreign media—as it has been since they began operating in the People’s Republic of China.

Treating CCP membership as a sign of loyalty to the state is also dubious. People primarily join the party as a resume booster, often in university or soon after. There isn’t a way to leave, only to get kicked out."

MORE TO FOLLOW BELOW

FROM ABOVE

"The English-speaking, upper-middle-class staff of foreign companies are probably more likely to be party members than most people, simply because of the strata of society they often come from.

Questions of Chinese influence are going to be a major subject of debate over the next few years. There are real issues with Chinese influence in Australia and other Western countries, but they need to be discussed carefully. Drawing clear lines about what’s important or threatening, what is merely concerning, and what is hysterical or racist will be vital. Expect similar stories in the future—and be prepared to read them critically and with an eye for context."

ENDS

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plundering-the-worlds-oceans/12971422?

Chris lewis,

How many people belong to the Chinese Communist Party?

1, 2, 10, 250 or 91,000,000?

And keep in mind, they have to be Chinese.

There might even be a nice little prize if you get it right.

Interesting robust discussion-

Just a tip CL- and with respect- I would have made a different response to Diver Dan perhaps... You both seem to have similar views but perhaps Diver Dan sees the situation as more urgent... as perhaps does Mr Opinion.

Canem Malum,

What do you think of my 10 point plan to placate the Chinese?

President Xi thinks it's a winner and wishes he had thought of it first.

He's a bit upset though that Gladys Liu MP (Lib), who is a former(?) affiliate of the Chinese Communist Party, wasn't made the new Minister for Trade. They could have got things worked out with her on board.

But don't worry, Soot and Dazza's gal are still intent on forcing the international border open and bringing in hundreds of thousands of cashed up Chiners. What's that? What about the coronavirus getting in if they come here? .............. What coronavirus?

To Mr Opinion- I get the impression certain rulers like a little grovelling and prostration- some more literal than others. So yes I think Mr Xi would approve- a required but not sufficient condition.
Your 10 point plan could probably sum up the situation we are in.

Your sense of irony would make you a good soldier perhaps- excuse the pun

Canem Malum,

Everyone knows that I have been going on about the Chiner threat ad nauseum.

But for me I get to say to all my critics "I TOLD YOU SO".

Here come the Chiners:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinas-aggressive-fishing-fleet-heading-for-australia-amid-trade-war/news-story/0175fe917c15096633b8b1bf6048522b

Aren't the people in Bondi going to be surprised when they wake up one morning to see the Chiners fishing off their beach.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plundering-the-worlds-oceans/12971422

But just give them a big Aussie "Ni Hao Mate!" and everything will be alright.

Can we do anything about it? No ............... the enemy is already inside the gate.

Dear Mr. Opinion,

You have been constantly demoralising the readers of this forum, sowing despair but offering no solutions. Having given up on Victory, is all you are aiming for now is the booby-prize of being able to say "I TOLD YOU SO"?

Yuyutsu,

I have degrees in the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc. which makes me ideally placed to work things out.

Anybody with my background could do the same.

But unfortunately there aren't that many people like me who have four degrees in four different fields.

So looks like you're stuck with me. Like it or lump it.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Yes, don't worry about our resident troll, our own village idiot who is up himself - always a source of exasperation.

My suggestion is to avoid him, keep away from him and the wall he is chained to, let him fling his waste at some other unsuspecting passer-by.

Joe

Yuyutsu,

Keep in mind that Foul-Mouth is jealous of me because he wants to be the one with all the Arts degrees in things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

I'm sorry it never worked out for you Foul-Mouth, but there's really no need to be bitter about it.

To Mr Opinion-

I think the only option for Australia's defense is dirty bombs and perhaps later atomics- used in a scorched earth defense- Roman's salting the earth. We can't defend against bloated China with conventional weapons.

I think perhaps Mr Opinion sees himself as a tough realist. He sees people presenting Idea's- Option A's around but see them as impractical loose thinking lacking meaning in a broad sense- a faulty reality - so he drops his response through to Option B- like children's blocks- matching the shape to the hole- show the effect that relates to the cause. His hope perhaps is that in challenging bad thinking people will step up to the challenge- in this perhaps he shows faith in their essential goodness.

Good results happen from good actions and good thinking- not from naive hope. Nothing comes without sacrifice.

Emmanuel Kant too believed in robust principle.

In a sense- as do we all- Mr Opinion perhaps courageously emulates what he sees as the best principles- but the actor and the audience see things differently.

Mr Opinion wants people to prove him wrong when he says "I told you so"- because that would stop the nightmare reality unfolding.

Canem Malum,

Having Arts degrees in each of history, sociology and anthropology means that I have been trained as a critical thinker who can work out why things happen in the world of people.

I think I know what anthopology and history are but sociology less sure...

This looks interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent-based_model

Canem Malum,

History = the study of the past

Anthropology = the study of humankind

Sociology = the study of society

Put them together and one has a powerful tool for working out why things happen and for predicting what might happen.

Dear Canem Malum,

The Chinese situation is for us a test, not a ground to despair.

Most important, WE ARE NOT ALONE!

We have so many other countries on our side,
but most importantly, we have God on our side.
This must be the time to unite and call on them all.

The monster Xi considers himself to be God and decreed in effect that no other God shall be worshiped in China.
This is hardly the first time it happened, not even in China: here is an incomplete list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_been_considered_deities (only some of those persecuted the worshipers of God or other gods).

In India, about 5300 years ago, lived the tyrant Kamsa who declared himself God and ruthlessly oppressed anyone who did not worship him, including the sages. He even imprisoned his own father whose kingdom he usurped.
As Kamsa was aided by powerful and magical daemons, the situation looked so bleak and hopeless, no man could stand to him.
But then God Himself incarnated and was born as Kamsa's sister, Devaki's son. Kamsa smashed the heads of her first 6 babies as they were born, but the next two babies miraculously escaped - the 8th was Shri Krishna. Even as a baby, Krishna killed the daemons sent by Kamsa, then as a youth he wrestled and killed his uncle Kamsa himself.

Fear not, our body will die anyway one day, but Shri Krishna tells us (Bhagavad-Gita 2:20):

"The soul is neither born, nor does it ever die; nor having once existed, does it ever cease to be. The soul is without birth, eternal, immortal, and ageless. It is not destroyed when the body is destroyed."

Then in verses 37-38:

"If you fight, you will either be slain on the battlefield and go to the celestial abodes, or you will gain victory and enjoy the kingdom on earth. Therefore arise with determination, O son of Kunti, and be prepared to fight. Fight for the sake of duty, treating alike happiness and distress, loss and gain, victory and defeat. Fulfilling your responsibility in this way, you will never incur sin."

Mr Opinion said- Having Arts degrees in each of history, sociology and anthropology means that I have been trained as a critical thinker who can work out why things happen in the world of people.

Answer- I don't think everyone who studies The Arts in contemporary times is a critical thinker- but I believe you are.

Put them together and one has a powerful tool for working out why things happen and for predicting what might happen
Mr Opinion,
So, why not study for a solution why people keep making the same mistakes ?

individual,

Churchill spent years during the 1930s warning everyone about Hitler and no one listened.

Mr Opinion is spending years warning everyone about the Chinese and no one is listening.

What's important to me is that I get to say 'I TOLD YOU SO."

Mr Opinion is spending years warning everyone about the Chinese and no one is listening.
Mr Opinion,
And, how many of your commodities etc aren't Made in China ?

individual,

True.

And who is responsible: Tony Abbott.

Remember him saying "It's good for Australia, it's gooder for China." just before he took a bite into a raw unpeeled onion.

What a guy!

Lambing Flat.

The slogan of The Bulletin from the 1880s-1890s: 'Australia for the White Man' - mainly aimed at Chinese people.

Immigration restrictions from 1901 until the 1960s.

The core principle of the Labor Party from its inception.

But our Village Idiot thinks he's been the first. I wonder if Arts degrees wither the mind ?

No, only for the unlucky few, those who are perennially infantile.

Can such infants distinguish repressive governments from the people whom they repress ? Does critique always degenerate into racism in their case ?

Joe

Comrade Foul-Mouth,

Australia is so racist that between 1942 and 1945 Australians were even shooting Japanese to keep them from getting into the country. Talk about anti-immigration gone mad!

PS What branch of the CCP are you affiliated with?

To Mr Opinion- I think Loudmouth should be given a homework assignment to write about "racism" from the "racist" view point and how it relates to underlying concerns within society. It seems he did some studies in The Liberal Arts but he apparently did some of his first studies in one of the most left wing institutions of the time- Flinder's University- Matthew Flinders himself not really a lefty perhaps- Loudmouth is not perhaps the legacy that Flinders envisaged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Flinders

To be fair to Loudmouth and paraphrasing Jesus- "he knows not what he does".

In the past Loudmouth has perhaps emphasised how beautiful and childlike Chinese women are and wishes he was younger- at least that's the way they are perceived by him- standard honey trap- the North Korean's put on a similar show in the recent past. Men do think with 'Johnson'- this is somewhat natural- and can be forgiven- but once in they should think differently.

Women perhaps have replaced the concept of the 'good provider' with the concept of the 'good system'- perhaps effectively replacing the family with socialism- as was said in the sixties Women don't need Men to have children. Do women care about the survival of their families their heritage beyond the immediate present. Perhaps given that traditionally the name is passed through the male line they don't- but passing the name through the female line or having a hyphenated name doesn't work either.

Many people have given up trust for the family over trust for the socialist system- social safety net- this is concerning in a sense.

Canem Malum,

There are a couple of great docufilms on Youtube you might want to catch:

World War 1 in Colour (3h 30m)

World War 2 The Apocalypse (4h 30m)

Both have great colourised shots of the wars and both provide a great narrative of the course the wars took.

With the rise of China and the admission by the Chinese and the Russians just over a week ago that they have a formal military defensive/offensive pact we might just be looking at the early signs of a World War 3.

If China is now seen as a military threat do we really need to have millions of Chinese in Australia as Foul-Mouth, Foxy, and others would like to do?

Hi CM & Misop,

Thanks for all that attention. Sorry for getting up your noses. Good fun, but :)

Any time that either of you is in Adelaide, perhaps we can arrange a time for you to come around and kiss my hairy arse.

Joe

Comrade Foul-Mouth,

I still haven't made up my mind if you are a Chinese plant or a collaborator.

I can't understand why you support having millions of non-Australian Chinese in Australia.

Maybe you think that if Australia has a predominantly Chinese population China will treat us kindly after it has conquered Australia and incorporated it into its expanding empire.

Mr Opinion said-

Canem Malum, There are a couple of great docufilms on Youtube you might want to catch: World War 1 in Colour (3h 30m): World War 2 The Apocalypse (4h 30m). Both have great colourised shots of the wars and both provide a great narrative of the course the wars took. With the rise of China and the admission by the Chinese and the Russians just over a week ago that they have a formal military defensive/offensive pact we might just be looking at the early signs of a World War 3.

Answer-
Thanks Mr Opinion I will have a look at the films- I've seen some great historical films from the 1920's and after. The Chinese / Russian Military Pact concept is very concerning- I did a search and there seems to be many sites talking about this general issue- however I didn't see a reference to a formal pact- very concerning

Canem Malum,

It was mentioned in a TV news item I was watching about 2 weeks ago.

I understand the 'secret pact' had been well known for a long time by thinking people who have a handle on how the real world works and suspected correctly that a pact between China and Russia was sine qua non for a united front against the West.

I think Russia is intent on recovering eastern Europe and re-establishing itself as the leader of the Slavic world.

I think China will invade Australia, SE Asia and the southwestern Pacific (1) to create a global empire to transmigrate its people thus relieving its overpopulation problem and (2) secure the natural resources it needs to support its military and industries (especially Australia).

I think China's fortification of the South China Sea is a prelude to the massing of a great sea and airborne amarda for an assault on Australia. And there's nothing we will be able to do about it.

The Chinese control so much of Australia and have such an enormous presence in the country in terms of numbers that it begs the question of whether or not there is really anything for us to protect. Might pay to have a 'Get Out Of Australia Quick Plan' in place for when it happens. I think Soot and the boyz will be on the first plane to the Holiday Gardens Hotel in Hawaii.

I blame Tony Abbott for the dilemma Australia now finds itself in with China.

If I had my way I would cancel the visas of all non-Australian Chinese in Australia (half a million of them according to Foul-Mouth) and give them 2 weeks to get out of the country, including their business and infrastructure operations.

I think it's either that or we just all lie down and let the Chinese just walk all over us: Total capitulation, which I think is what China is expecting from the Commonwealth.

Hi Mr Opinion

On talk of a China-Russia alliance.

Like any 2 great powers sharing a long border, relations between China and Russia are complex. They flactuate. They are nowhere near being in alliance.

True commentators have made much of a 22 Dec 2020 joint air Exercise. "The Russian military said that a pair of its Tu-95 strategic bombers and four Chinese H-6K bombers flew over the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea on Tuesday." http://7news.com.au/politics/russian-chinese-bombers-fly-over-pacific-c-1820089

But http://7news.com.au/politics/russian-chinese-bombers-fly-over-pacific-c-1820089 goes on to say:

"It follows Russian President Vladimir Putin's statement in [Oct 2020] that the idea of a future Russia-China military alliance should not be ruled out - a signal of deepening military cooperation between Moscow and Beijing amid growing tension in their relations with the United States.

Until that moment, Russia and China had hailed their "strategic partnership" BUT [PUTIN] REJECTED any talk about the possibility of their forming a military alliance."
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This is noting in 1969 Russia and China mobilised 10,000s of troops against each other in a border war. A war in which the Russian High Command discussed the nuclear weapon option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split#Border_conflict
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So China and Russia are frequently nervous neighbours http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Russian_relations_since_1991

"Russian commentators have increasingly raised concerns about China's ambitions and influence in Central Asia, an area traditionally within Russian influence.[6]"

Also, in December 2019, Russian Rostec officials accused China of intellectual property theft of a range of military technologies.[143] In June 2020, Russia charged one of its Arctic scientists of passing sensitive information to China.[144]
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So Russian-Chinese relations remain complicated. They are nowhere near being in alliance.

Dear Mr. Opinion,

«If I had my way I would cancel the visas of all non-Australian Chinese in Australia (half a million of them according to Foul-Mouth) and give them 2 weeks to get out of the country, including their business and infrastructure operations.»

Breaking up families, robbing people of their hard-earned possessions and sending innocent people who took refuge with us back into the horrible clutches of oppression, I am surprised why rape too was not on the menu - with such strategies, what makes you any better than the CCP? What freedom are we fighting for if we take away the freedom of others? And once the Chinese are gone, who would be next?

Rather, I would work to win the hearts and minds of our Chinese guests and give them every reason to appreciate and prefer the Australian heaven over the hell they came from, then side with us on the coming war.

I am not blind of course. There must be scrutiny, scrutiny and more scrutiny, so the goats are sorted out from the sheep and only them kicked out, all CCP sympathisers sent back to China on rafts with the same clothes they had when they were born.

Yuyutsu,

Have you ever heard the expression "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."?

Dear Mr. Opinion,

Imagine if the people of ancient Troy had X-rays, ultrasound, MRI and CT-scans at their disposal like we do today!

Be sure we will use every possible means to check the horse, but let us leave the details for the professionals.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Thanks for some common sense against the dumb racism of our Village Idiot. I would have thought that anybody who wants to send all Chinese back to China, regardless, was clearly an agent of the repressive CCP regime. But that might be attributing much too much intelligence to him.

Joe

Comrade Foul-Mouth,

I didn't say all the Chinese.

I said non-Australian Chinese.

Again you attempt to win an argument by putting words in someone's mouth.

I can't wait until I get to say 'I TOLD YOU SO."

I reckon "Mr Opinion"

is but a Chinese-Australian High School STUDENT TROLL.

His/Her writing reveals a mental age of 16, or less.

Posted by Mr Opinion

I blame Tony Abbott for the dilemma Australia now finds itself in with China. If I had my way I would cancel the visas of all non-Australian Chinese in Australia (half a million of them according to Foul-Mouth) and give them 2 weeks to get out of the country, including their business and infrastructure operations. I think it's either that or we just all lie down and let the Chinese just walk all over us: Total capitulation, which I think is what China is expecting from the Commonwealth.

Answer-

Your plan would be better than the current one- do nothing!

Why do you think it's Tony Abbott's fault- the Chinese invasion appears to have been a long time coming- since the end of WWII. Though Chinese didn't start coming here in mass numbers until the seventies- then again in '89 and again after '94. Then the education industry- that is supposed to train our people- started bring in foreigners- because Howard severely restricted Uni funding- and Uni's didn't want to take a pay cut- everyone else had to.

I guess Tony Abbott oversaw the Free Trade agreement.

Not sure of the providence of this publication... but interesting.

http://www.miragenews.com/australians-face-risk-of-another-abbott-designed-anti-worker-trade-deal/

This is interesting if true... 'Investor-State Dispute Settlement provisions that allow foreign corporations to sue governments for changes to domestic law.'

Anyway both Labor and Liberal are globalists just different sorts of globalists- Traditionalist's want to protect Australia for the Australian's.

Looks like the Chinese are mapping pathways for their fleets to get to Australia through the straits of the Indonesian archipelago:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/suspected-chinese-submarine-drone-found-by-indonesian-fishermen/13022488

I imagine Christmas Island will be captured in the first hours of the invasion and transformed into a major air & sea base from which to control the Indian Ocean and cut off Australia. A Chinese amarda amassed in the South China Sea could then sail down the west coast of Australia and land invasion forces at Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne.

I imagine other forces landed at Darwin and Cape York coming the South China Sea via the Indonesian archipelago would set up bases for an assault on Brisbane.

I don't think Sydney will be attacked simply because Sydney is for all intents and purposes a Chinese city and they probably assume it will capitulate without a fight.

I reckon it will all be over in a week.

Anyway, that's what I think will happen. What do you think?

Demoralising is a classic weapon of war, but we stand strong and it will come to naught.
Meanwhile let police investigate whether this psychological attack in OLO is carried by a lone coward or deliberately coordinated from Beijing.

We shall win this war. Let their armada come and drown - for God is on our side!

"Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the Lord our God. They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright. Save, Lord: let the king hear us when we call." [Psalms 20:8-10]

Yuyutsu,

I think a Chinese attack on Australia will be a prelude to an invasion of Taiwan.

What you need to understand is that the China-Taiwan conflict is a civil war that has been going on since the end of WW1 unleashed mass democracy, fascism and totalitarianism as alternatives to absolutism and established nationalism as the criterion for nation-state formation.

I think China's aim will be to neutralise Australia and then incorporate it into its empire after it establishes its authority over Taiwan. I think China taking control of Hong Kong this year was aimed at sending a message to Taiwan: We can do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way.

I think we might see some unexpected things happen: Vietnam might side with China; I don't think America will put bots on the ground; the Korean question might finally be resolved but for whom is anyone's guess.

Interesting times ahead.

Misop,

Unlike collaborators, the great majority of Australians - including Chinese-Australians - would fight to the death against a Chinese CCP-totalitarian invasion. Or, indeed, any invasion.

But you'd be okay, you would have done your duty to the CCP, as much as you could, in undermining Australian self-determination. You'll probably get promoted up through the CCP ranks where you belong.

Joe

Foul-Mouth,

I think I would be numero uno on Xi's hit list, destined to spend the rest of my life in a Chinese concentration camp forced to pick fly sh!t out of pepper as part of my re-education program.

What's your prediction for the future Australia? I'm interested to hear how you think things will turn out.

To Mr Opinion-

What you have said sounds reasonable.
Australia is probably not well defended from the south or from the west though Australia would put up very little resistance to a committed invasion from China.

To hold land it's necessary to use man power.

I remember in 'The Crown' series they discussed what would be required in terms of control of institutions for a British coup- it could be similar in Australia. From memory they said that it would require control of the Military, the Parliament, the Police, the Courts, the Crown.

I'm sure the Chinese are investigating multiple vectors not just the Indonesian one and not just military. Presumably the Chinese would probably need Indonesian help in passing large amounts of equipment through this path undetected- and they would need to offer something to the Indonesians.

Given the growth in Chinese military activity it seems it's no secret that military is likely to be "part" of their strategy- even if it's just used to intimidate with plausible deniability.

Sadly the globalists are likely to fall over themselves to avoid losing their investments probably until it's too late.

It's amusing to see China tying the business community up in knots (so they don't know what to do) in the same way that the business community has tied up governments and the community in knots. Sadly they will all be washed away ... like the movie 'Gone With The Wind'.

This is symptomatic of the things that can happen when institutions go to war against the population- history is littered with them.

I guess unlike the Hebrews before Israel the Chinese and the Indian's actually have their own homeland. Another difference with the Chinese and Indian's is that their homelands are large and their populations have grown dramatically and perhaps irresponsibly over the past seventy years. I wonder what sort of international displacement would happen to Australian people should they have their homeland taken.

This population dominance by Chinese and Indian's and soon African's would in fact reduce diversity in the world

Some seem to want to conflate the Hebrew situation with the Chinese one or Indian ones- sometimes perhaps even the Hebrew diaspora when they see it to their advantage- we as British Australian's need to act in the best interest of the British Australian people- others of course will try to act in their interest and discredit our interest- British Australian's are a very generous people but we aren't fools- though some think we are.

Some people believe that we can/ should have a diverse world but not perhaps diverse countries.

Mr Opinion- said previously "all non-Australian Chinese should be removed from Australia"

Answer- Many believe that Australia's Education Industry doesn't really serve Australia. Chinese nationals and (those of Chinese extraction to a lesser extent) in Australia do seem to constitute a security risk to Australia. People do seem to favour those similar to themselves. The rallies at Australian universities supporting China have been concerning and illuminating- one in particular at the University of Queensland.

The Chinese government could potentially rally Chinese students in my view to use as a tool to execute a coup in Australia- there is dissent within China- but I'm not sure it would be enough- and China today is very different to China in 1989.

The role of the Equal Opportunity Commission is interesting in the context of cultural change. It seems that their role is to ensure that the immigrant revolution is not opposed by a counter revolution- though it seems that it is the right of the people to protest- this seems to be a contradiction between principles. A similar contradiction seems to exist in the US Declaration in it's principles 1. Government of the People and 2. religious freedom- when these principles conflict within the community through immigration etc.

Both of these seem to contain a source of subversive vulnerability within the community.

I hope that Australian governments cultivate close links with all of the countries between here and China - Vietnam, Thailand, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, even Cambodia by the sound if it, Japan, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, and of course the Pacific nations including New Zealand.

Let's be clear. China is a totalitarian regime; the CCP is a tarted-up Mafia on a massive scale, with 100 million foot-soldiers and hangers-on, and the keys to a vast economy.

All states that claim to be Utopias degenerate very quickly into fascist regimes: Lenin's lasted only weeks before he was ordering the crushing of the workers on Kronstadt, and of the Narodniks. And it was down-hill all the way from there. If Lenin hadn't died in early 1924, he would have been Stalin.

So yes, all of our region is menaced by China. I hope that its plans for invasion of India and Japan and eventually Australia can be delayed or hindered, by five years, ten years, until its demographic problems drag it down - until it starts to get old before it gets too powerful, and hopefully until its minorities and non-Mandarin speakers can assert themselves, as the wonderful people of Hong Kong and the Tibetans and the Uighurs and others in Sinjiang have been doing.

One problem with that scenario is that warfare is becoming so much more technical than physical: pretty soon, older people in China will be just as able to operate weaponry as younger grunts. But live in hope.

Joe

Canem Malum,

I think the Chinese will be able to swing Indonesia to its side.

The thing that the Javanese elites (who basically are Indonesia) desire more than anything is territory, especially to transmigrate the Javanese people to less populated regions (1) to relieve population pressure on Java and (2) to extend Javanese control other the rest of Indonesia.

I think China would offer the Javanese great swathes of land in the northwest of Australia in order to shore up Indonesian non-interference during the Chinese invasion of Australia.

Kudos Loudmouth I surprisingly agreed with most of what you said in your last post. And recognition of the changes in military tech and a comment on the Mafia- wow.

John Locke commented on gang government- and how to stop it through liberalism- I think it still exists even within liberalism- and especially Communism- it will probably always exist- I don't think John Locke fixed humanity- and perhaps made it worse- but it took a few hundred years to see it.

Ironically perhaps the reason why China is acting aggressively is because of it's demographic problems and the rise of India- it sees now as it's one chance in history to gain global power. Very few give up power voluntarily.

China probably needs to take a leaf from Sun Tzu and realise that soft alliances are perhaps more important than dominance.

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see China destroyed by internal division either as this would start a whole new cycle of instability in world geo politics. But I think that the whole world would benefit from a decrease in population away from the urge to continuous growth- to take the pressure off. I would like to see more autonomous regions within China and India and others so long as sustainable population and other strategies are maintained.

Modern countries are now over reliant on the global system with it's growing malignancies- slowly countries need to decouple themselves to control their own destiny- when people feel that they are controlled by others it creates conflict.

Mr Opinion said- "I think the Chinese will be able to swing Indonesia to its side."

Answer- Good analysis. Thanks.

Dear Canem Malum,

«"I think the Chinese will be able to swing Indonesia to its side."»

What nonsense: every Indonesian understands that under China it would be "bye bye Islam"!

Islam in Asia is perhaps different than Islam in the Middle East. I would characterize Indonesia historically as primarily military in nature perhaps (Australia perhaps is more dominated by it's courts)- but looking at pictures of the cities it appears to have had a lot of investment over the past twenty years and now the cities look more modern than Australia- not that that is a good thing. Poverty appears to have gone from 70% in the 80's to 10% now.

Surprisingly figures indicate that Indonesia's population density is lower than Britain- though in some countries population isn't well documented especially in slums- and as I understand many of the people are concentrated on tiny Java- 270 million people. I understand there are some issues in the north of Sumatra with separatists and the fallout from the tsunami.

Aside-
Given Australia's changes over the last seventy years the influence of the church has perhaps been replaced by the courts- you could argue the church was perhaps more sensitive to the community- this "institutional vacuum filling" is an interesting addendum to the "no vacuum" law in politics.

Anyway- it appears that Chinese want access to strategic resources to expand it's influence- it has apparently taken over the largest port in Africa the Port Of Mombasa- Kenya- and the Port Of Darwin- interesting to see how that effects the Port Of Singapore as it's infrastructure ages. I saw something about the Chinese Debt Diplomacy strategy. I'd expect that the Chinese would attempt to aggressively integrate the Darwin Port infrastructure with the Darwin Airport and rail links to capture Australian trade with South East Asia. Given Chinese activities in Africa their ultimate goal may be to capture Suez or just make Suez irrelevant in world affairs- perhaps even encircling India. There are also some signs India is also attempting to control key assets in Australia.

To state the obvious- The worlds shipping routes are the modern equivalent of the ancient Silk Road.

The future is unknown but we still must try to manage it.

Yuyutsu,

As a Taiwanese you will say anything if you think it will help Taiwan defeat the PRC in the Chinese Civil War.

Mr Opinion- I thought Yuyutsu was Indian- the name Yuyutsu apparently relates to an Indian myth- of course the Indian's also perhaps dislike the Chinese.