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Skewed responsibility: Australian war crimes in Afghanistan : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 27/11/2020

A 'warrior culture' also comes in for some withering treatment, which is slightly odd given the kill and capture tasks these men have been given with mind numbing regularity.

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"Charging somebody with murder in a place like this is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500." Charlie Sheen in Apocalypse Now.

The Taliban is not a signatory to the Geneva Convention. Anybody who ever read anything on the fighting in Afghanistan knows the extraordinary lengths that Allied forces go to to prevent any of their soldiers being captured. This is because if you are an allied soldier and you get captured, the Taliban will cut the tendons om your arms and legs so that you can't move, then they will disembowel you. them leave you in the open so that you can see the wild dogs coming who will eat you alive.

That being said, it is hardly surprising if Allied soldiers don't worry too much about taking Taliban or ISIS prisoners themselves. One only has too look at the Pacific War in 1941-1945 to see what today lefty morons would call "war crimes" by allied soldiers against Japanese soldiers.

The Japanese started the Pacific war with a brutality not seen since Atilla the Hun. They gang raped and mass murdered captured allied nurses and nuns. They shot wounded allied soldiers in hospital beds. They tortured and executed most captured allied soldiers sparing only those fit for work who they generally worked to death. They executed civilian women and children, generally after raping the females first. They refused to surrender and even tried to kill those Allied soldiers who had the humanity to try to capture wounded Japanese.

In return, Allied soldiers routinely finished off all wounded Japanese soldiers. We shot up lifeboats full of Japanese survivors and even helpless Japanese soldiers struggling to stay afloat in the sea (Battle of the Bismarck Sea) and we dropped nuclear weapons on Japanese cities. If the enemy chooses not to slaughter you like civilized men, they can hardly complain if their enemies return the compliment. In such a situation, bugger the Geneva Convention.

In the next war only ABC luvvies and virtue signaling lefties should be conscripted to fight so that they can get a reality check.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 29 November 2020 4:16:42 AM
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Thank you LEGO.

I just love the way you put a finger on the pulse.

Mark Donaldson VC, alluded to this situation in his auto biography.

The real tragedy to me, is the way their own team members brought this nonsense down on their own heads.

There once was an ethic called loyalty. It’s the removal of loyalty amongst SAS soldiers
which will ultimately do the most damage.

Rightly or wrongly you stand together and back each other up, working through the consequences in private.

I stand by my post above. This nonsense perpetuated by the ABC is beyond disgraceful, and lands itself firmly in the camp of treacherous.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 29 November 2020 8:08:19 AM
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And Daniel Andrews killed 800 people. Where's his accountability?
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 29 November 2020 9:15:26 AM
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The message to young people considering signing up is clear. Don't.

They'll send you to do the dirty work then throw you under a bus to wash themselves clean.
Posted by jamo, Sunday, 29 November 2020 9:36:56 AM
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One has to commend the decent men, former SAS personal, for exposing this with conclusive, rank, serial number, time and day, collaborated evidence! And this shouldn't rest solely on the bloke pulling the trigger as if this was ok, something that occurred under extreme duress/under fire!

But needs to go higher up to those who were allegedly in charge and allowed it to occur on their watch, because they were, it seems, asleep at the wheel when they should have been driving the allegorical bus!

Should have been stamped on there and then!

[Sargent Green, place Private Black under arrest and remove his weapons. Then accompany him back to barracks where he will remain until this matter is dealt with officially!]

As I see it, overreacting now, with overkill to stuff he claimed he didn't see or allegedly walked past?

Sorry, not convinced by this ham acting performance. You were there and in charge! And the buck stops with you!?

Apparently, wants to be now seen to be responding for his own shortcomings as a responsible leader by the removal of the unit citation? Disagree! That citation still belongs to those blokes that earned it under fire and weren't part of the thrill kill/blood sport cabal!

This late-stage reaction, I believe, stinks of someone being seen as seeking to shift the spotlight away from his own leadership shortcomings in the field?

It should also be, where does the buck ultimately stop and with who? And they should also, e.g., shoulder their share of responsibility with loss of their own medals and post-service entitlements!?

Otherwise, the very culture that allowed this to occur? Remains in place and sheltered by a culture of enforced (jail-culture) silence and misplaced loyalty! And that is just not OK! OK?

Real men don't need any of this BS or are OK with being any part of it! OK?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 29 November 2020 11:27:11 AM
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Removing the citation isn't about the troops or even the alleged unlawful killings.
It's the uppers worrying about their own image. As always.
Posted by jamo, Sunday, 29 November 2020 12:17:33 PM
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