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Without prejudice : Comments

By Bill Calcutt, published 29/6/2020

The global resurgence of the Black Lives Matter campaign reminds Australians of the ongoing disproportionate rate of incarceration of indigenous people in this country.

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Indy, surely not.
Who are you referring to?
It sounds awfully like that con-man who reckons he black heritage, and the govt believed him, even though it has been proven more than once that his ancestry is British.
No black blood in his lineage.
Yet somehow he is considered black, because he said so.
And they wonder why we get angry.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 7:26:23 PM
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Individual,

Who are you referring to?

Ash Barty won the young Indigenous of the year for 2020.
She has Indigenous blood on her father's side.

Is that who you mean?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 7:46:42 PM
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I have no trouble with regarding someone who may be very pale as Indigenous IF they have been raised by an Indigenous parent, usually a mother, and whose only known relations are similarly Indigenous - IF they've also always thought of themselves as Indigenous.

Nobody wanders around with a colour-code in their pocket. Move on, for Christ sake.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 8:00:58 PM
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Joe,

There are three criteria that must be met according
to government regulations if someone's applying for a
grant as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander person:

1) You have to be of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander
descent.

2) You identify as an Aboriginal or a Torres Strait Islander.

3) You are accepted as such by the community in which
you live or formerly lived.

All of these things must apply.

The way you look or how you live are not requirements.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 8:09:23 PM
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Hi Foxy,

Yes, thank you, sometimes I do forget how to suck eggs :)

Genuine Indigenous people take for granted, without thinking or analysis, that they are Indigenous like their significant parent or siblings, and cousins, and uncles and aunties, and grandma and grandpa and most of the people they have grown up with. At least, the people I've mixed with take all that as given.

And conversely, they can tell very quickly when someone is a phony, who claims they are Indigenous, who claims they have Indigenous descent (usually from some undefined group or area, often far away, i.e. so that they can't be traced or checked out,) and who can throw a few names around if they had to, also far away, to make out who they are related to.

Or of course, they talk about not knowing because their mother was 'stolen generation'. That's always been a good one. I recall one bloke who tried to get into an Indigenous study program that I was responsible for in the early nineties - he claimed that his family was from a fairly distant area where his parents had met; I said that my wife's auntie had come from there, did he know the family ? No, his mother has been taken away as a stolen generation child.

Later I found out - and had a yarn with his lovely mother - that yes, his parents had met out there on the Overlander line, one from Austria and the other from southern Italy. Back in those days, sponsored migrants had to work for two years out in the countryside, which they has done. So I asked him to fill out a family tree form, so he got into another Aboriginal program, where he became their Scholar of the Year and went on to as senior policy position in Canberra.

So tell me all about Indigenous identity, Foxy.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:52:00 PM
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Joe,

I was merely quoting what the government criteria
was for people applying for government grants
as given on their site.
But if you want to suck eggs - who am I to stop
you.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 10:34:49 PM
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