VK3AUU,

I don't think there will be a second wave either. Just among demonstrators and rioters, perhaps.

I was interested to hear Tom Switzer saying that if there was a second wave there would be no more lock downs or economy trashing because we couldn't afford them. And, perhaps, because Morrison and his reckless advisers have seen how stupid they have been (but still won't admit it).

Mhaze,

New York ? Which now has fewer new cases than some of the hick states ?

Of course, it had the most cases in the early months of this virus - so did Sydney in Australia, Auckland in NZ, London in the UK and Paris in Fence. Biggest centres, most cosmopolitan, most flights into and out of. No mystery.

Also NY state had a Democrat governor, and like other states in the US with Democrat governors, they had most trouble getting any co-operation from the federal government agencies.

So which foot is the shoe on these days ? Where will the second wave strike hardest ?

Still, all everybody might need is a bottle of Lysol and a strong flash-light.

Yes, believe it or not, I'm told that there has been an upsurge in cases in the US of poisoning by detergent and bleach. And maybe sunburn around the nether regions, I don't know, but I can't believe people would be that stupid. Then again, it's Americans ........

Joe

Ahhh LM, finally shamed you into it.

Let's take a look at your excuses...

"Of course, it had the most cases in the early months of this virus - ....Biggest centres, most cosmopolitan, most flights into and out of. No mystery."

Well, in fact New York is only the 6th most densely populated city in the US and only slightly more so than LA and Miami. Yet looking at these other states, Florida and Texas, with higher populations than NY have less than 10% of NY's deaths.

"Also NY state had a Democrat governor, and like other states in the US with Democrat governors, they had most trouble getting any co-operation from the federal government agencies."

California is also a Democrat state, indeed THE Democrat state. With double the population they've had 1/6th the number of deaths. Did the Feds give them extra help? Washington State, also Democrat, has nearly half the population of NY by 5% of the deaths.

Perhaps you'll need to find another excuse LM.

Or you could just address the facts, but then you'd have to change your opinion and stop blaming Trump....so nah!

The facts are that Cuomo/de Blasio screwed up enormously. They adopted policies as regards nursing homes that were the complete opposite of Florida and which resulted in 10000 extra deaths. They adopted policies as regards transport that were completely insane (and eventually changed) that resulted in another 5000+ deaths.

The fact is that, take NY out of the equation and the US did fantastically well. If the disaster in NY is down to Trump, why isn't the successes elsewhere down to Trump? Oh I forgot....TDS.

David_Leyonhjelm's no expert on anything from failing to stay in office to following the Trump Method of how to BOOST Coronavirus.

WIKIPEDIA reveals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Leyonhjelm#2019

"On 7 January 2019, Leyonhjelm announced that he intended to quit federal politics to contest the 2019 New South Wales state election on 23 March 2019.[66] He resigned from the Australian Senate on 1 March 2019.[67] He was the second Senator since the 2016 election to resign from Federal Parliament to contest a state election, following Nick Xenophon's unsuccessful run at the 2018 South Australian state election.

Leyonhjelm's bid to win a place in the NSW Legislative Council was unsuccessful.[4][68]"

"2019

In November, Senator Hanson-Young was awarded $120,000 in damages after winning a defamation case in the Federal Court against Leyonhjelm over interviews he gave following his "stop shagging men" comment in Parliament. The judge ruled that Leyonhjelm had acted with malice and intended to publicly shame Hanson-Young.[69]

2020

Leyonhjelm is appealing against the defamation decision, partly on the ground of the implied constitutional freedom of political communication.[70]"

More see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Leyonhjelm

For choice.

Boris Johnson probably agreed with David, and all the other Monday morning experts, posting here, when covid-19 hit the UK?

Bet he doesn't[ now? And probably has a higher opinion of medical doctors as well?

And thanks for bringing some real perspective to this discussion!

Otherwise, as always, the vocal minority of I'm alright jacks, would have dominated this debate.

I think the government was placed in an invidious position and dammed if they did and dammed if they didn't.

And are now critiqued for possibly the first time, listening to the experts and the science.

And that is scaring the BJ's outta the vocal minority, least it's a practice they continue? Imagine that!
Alan B.

>In the meantime, the overwhelming Australian majority say well done to Australian governments for their responses to the coronavirus

I agree, it's also why we're in the mess, the foolish electing the incompetent.

Many people I know visit McDoanalds, luckily that unpleasant experience is not forced on me. Not being treated as an adult by the rest of my fellow citizens? that's as repugnant. As the finance minister of Finland noted, after 12 months, Finland will have as many dead as Sweden, and yet Finland's economy will have been devastated. This has been treated like a sprint, with breathless announcements that this country has more dead then that country and no understanding that next year will necessarily be different, the ultimate stupidity is in NZ and excellent example of "how to" was Japan..

I agree completely with David's points.